• CalPal@lemmy.ca
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    2 months ago

    Average Canadian: “Oh yeah, I got this one easy bud!”

    Alright, for your final test: how do you spell Quebec?

    AC: “Oh, for sure, that one there is easy! It’s, uh… Q, for… uh…”

    AC: “Q… for… Kay-beck…”

  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Not sure about why people are surprised by this alphabet. It’s been in use for quite some time in its current form. I work in aviation and we always use this for radio communications. Obviously the military does too.

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      2 months ago

      I personally hate it when I say the nato alphabet equivallent and somebody just gets confused. Like “what do you mean alpha, is that what I need to type?”. Or worse yet, they start using names and end up with the joke from Archer - “M as in Mancy” or other nondescript names for letters.

      • Leviathan@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        For the layperson you have to do the “[letter] as in [phonetic alphabet equivalent]” format. Most people will understandably get confused if they ask how to spell your name and you tell them “Alpha-November-Delta-Yankee”. If they’re not used to it or never heard it it’ll sound like you just started having a stroke.

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          2 months ago

          My problem is that I absolutely blank when coming up with words to use, even if it’s my own damn name. At least this gives me a standard set to work with.

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          I guess i watched a bunch of war movies as a kid; because as an adult mid 20s somebody on the phone spelled out their software code using phonetic alphabet, it took me a split second to process the unexpected, but then knew it was the first letter from osmosis i guess

      • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        Tbf most people never have reason to use it so they don’t know it. Or they just think the words are random after watching a cop drama or comedy where a word is spelled out over a radio. Also there seems to be an independent police phonetic called then “LAPD” alphabet, but I can’t tell if it’s intended to be serious or just mostly lifted from movies and tv.

  • nevetsg@aussie.zone
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    When I worked IT helpdesk I created my own one of these. Others photocopied it, they were photocopied. Years later I dropped in and saw one of the new staff with my phonetic alphabet stuck to the side of his screen. (I think they were also still using my mainframe login ID)

  • SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip
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    2 months ago

    The only one I don’t like is Z is for Zulu. I’ve never heard of that word before and it could easily be mistaken for Hulu. Z should be changed to Zebra.

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      2 months ago

      Zebra is much closer to Sierra and Papa, than Zulu is to any other word in that list - they are specifically chosen to be distinctly understandable in difficult-to-hear situations. And should they change it every time a new brand gets popular that’s kinda similar to one of the words?

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          Unfortunately that has overlap with Echo.

          Ideally, these words are distinct even when most of the audio data is missing (as tends to happen with very bad connections/dropped packets). Worst case is only the “vocal” sounds coming through, as those are very common. Some people pronounce “zero” similarly to how “echo” is pronounced. “Zulu” has no such overlap.

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      Zulu could have been different, but has “no” (read:minimized) risk of being mistaken for hulu because hulu is not part of the phonetic alphabet. The phonetic alphabet is standardized because it must be, you can find rhymes for any one of these words. No list could be reasonably constructed that wouldn’t. Therefore the only reasonable choice is a standardized list that is designed to not self rhyme.

  • NotBillMurray@lemmy.world
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    I was in the Army for 6 years, yet whenever I try to think of the letter M my brain just short circuits to “Movember”.

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    When I first started working at a callcenter, I quickly went “oh I need to learn a phonetic alphabet” and printed and posted the NATO alphabet at my desk

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      We used to do it with everything but the NATO alphabet. Everyone had their own version, I would mostly use first names, some colleagues would do cities, animals, countries, etc etc.

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          Never claimed it was. It was mostly just a bit of fun in an awfully boring and shitty workplace, and got the job done good enough tbh. We’re talking about a call center here not coordinating nuclear launches.

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            I worked in armored transportation for awhile and we did this too when checking bags of money in/out of the vault. I liked to choose a theme like “80s action movies” and see if the other person would pick up on it.

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    2 months ago

    X is X-ray??

    And F is Foxtrot but not just Fox??

    Am I the only that thinks this is crazy?

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      “Fox” could be confused with “box”, so it goes with “Foxtrot”.

      Also, keep in mind that everything is a product of its time.

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      It was designed like that for a reason. There’s a lack of one syllable words there, and the ones that are there sound very different. It’s also used for messages that require precision that the average person doesn’t need in day to day life.

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      Not really, but it makes sense to me.

      I learned the phonetic alphabet partly because of the fact that I obtained my amateur radio operator qualification. I’m a “ham” radio person.

      Hearing these on the radio, which isn’t super clear to begin with in most cases, it’s much easier to use this way and almost trivial to understand others when they spell anything over the radio. Given this is the NATO alphabet, it’s used by all kinds of people, from ham operators like me, to government/military. Often in conjunction with some kind of communications system, often but not always radio communications, where the signal might be poor.

      I think the original intent was to ensure that all letters sounded as unique as possible, so even if you only catch part of the word (maybe the rest is obfuscated by static), you still understand the what was said.

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    “No, I said P! P for pterodactyl!”

    Edit: Though, that said, the point of the phonetic alphabet is they are very distinguishable words that sound nothing like one another. Even making out just “-a-a” you know it was papa, P. So as long as you know how to spell pterodactyl…

    • 667@lemmy.radio
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      The NATO phonetic alphabet is incredibly useful, though it does suffer from some issues in similar sounds. During a recent high frequency (HF) worldwide competition (IARU-HF), weak-signal SSB stations sometimes had to spend a few minutes trying to complete a radio exchange because of similar sounding phonetic endings: “Was that whiskey one bravo alpha?”

      “Negative, whiskey one tango alpha—TANGO alpha, over”

      This happens so commonly, that many HF operators substitute other words in the same manner to enhance understanding: common ones are kilowatt, sugar, Germany, America, London, etc.

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          I was so close to editing my comment to be “whiskey one tango foxtrot” and now I regret not doing it lol

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        kilowatt, sugar, Germany, America, London

        They’re great substitutes. I always found Quebec to be the most distinguishable because of geographic reference.

        Golf to Germany makes sense as Golf it’s single syllable with yet another hard type O in it. Unlike Mike which could be missed, but the I and K crack/pop are strong sounds.

        Kilowatt is interesting since the ‘watt’ is a backup sound if kilo is distorted. Honestly, Kardashian would be a good one as much as it pains me to say it.

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          Kilowatt trips me up still, I’ll copy KW maybe once in ~100 exchanges and not notice. It’s more common during high-volume exchanges. Getting better though!

          I shudder at even typing Kardashian lol

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    I can’t remember this guide but I remember the Android Phonetic Alphabet

    • Alpha
    • Beta
    • Cupcake
    • Donut
    • Eclair
    • Froyo
    • Gingerbread
    • Honeycomb
    • Ice Cream
    • Jelly Bean
    • KitKat
    • Lollipop
    • Marshmallow
    • Nougat
    • Oreo
    • Pie
    • Quiche
    • Red Velvet
    • Sugar Cookie
    • Tiramisu
    • Upside Down Cake
    • Vanilla
    • Waffle

    There are no other letters

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    I memorized it on my commute to work. I taped it to my dash and practiced on the license plates of the cars on the highway. I took it off my dash once I could read street signs out loud before passing them.