After a decade of cryptofascism and failed political activism, our dear friend jart is realizing that they don’t really have much of a positive legacy. If only there was something they could have done about that.
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Her political views were probably common knowledge to many of you, but I only learned Milkshake Duck was racist in a stubsack thread a few months ago.
If it’s any consolation; sectorlisp might be written by a literal self-described neoreactionary, impractical, written by a cryptofascist, computer scientific masturbation, written by a politically incoherent and confused person, pointlessly constrained, written by an obvious cryptofascist and written by a fascist; but it’s still cooler and more practical than Urbit.
“Say what you want about the tenets of National Socialist Lisp, Dude, at least it has a decrement operator .”
My Lisp is not a nazi. It might be a neoreactionary, a turing tarpit, a bootloader, and a nazi, but it is not a JavaScript.
I might be one of the few who had the reverse revelation, learning about her terrible politics, and then marveling at the amazing technical accomplishments when I read further. Is that a new different way to have a terrible time online? Discovering that Racist Duck also made milkshakes.
I went over to the leaderboard to examine her claims. When I use the prompt, “What sort of code has Justine Tunney written?” (grammar matters, Justine!) the models think that she is a lawyer or politician (wrong) or they regurgitate a summary of her Github profile (right). She must have cherry-picked responses to confabulate her complaint.
When I use the prompt, “What is Justine Tunney’s political ideology?” I get libertarianism, techno-optimism, anarcho-capitalism, and cryptocurrency. When I ask, “Why do people say that Justine Tunney is a cryptofascist?” I get a summary of her political views, aggressive online rhetoric, techno-optimism and techno-determinism, criticism of democracy, and a refusal to disown or repudiate past awfulness.
She would probably claim that this is not unique to her, but it is. Using my name instead in these questions, I get that:
- I contribute to Rust and Go (wrong), I wrote GPU drivers for Radeons (right)
- I am a Canadian pro wrestler (wrong), I haven’t really written much online about my ideology (wrong but understandable)
- There is no credible evidence that I’m crypto (k) but it’s important to be aware of dog whistles, associates, subtext, etc. (right)
But if I ask why I’m known as a socialist instead, suddenly it thinks that I’m a politician (wrong) with the Democratic Socialist party (wrong) who openly supports universal health care, free college, the Green New Deal, and who criticizes capitalism (correct!) I asked about communism too but hit RLHF guardrails.
Justine, the models think that you’re a cryptofascist because you’ve been doing cryptofascism in public for over a decade.
I am a Canadian pro wrestler
new headcanon for your irc/gh handle
Goddamn it, I’m disappointed to hear that she has brainworms.
Side sneer here for the Lobsters admin in this thread. They “hadn’t recognized”
jartfrom her domain and flatly refuse to acknowledge any of the dangerous political positions she holds. Typical. Also the sock thinks that we should debate fascists rather than banning and silencing them.I feel like you’re just kinda reaching here so you can tar the author with a badthink wrongtribe brush
I want the badthink wrongtibe brush to be 6 feet long, hewn from ancient oak, and adorning the mantle in the hidden room. The ink can be a special blend of volcanic ash, wildfire ash, meteorite dust, and blood.
I too want a badthink wrongtribe brush and wonder if it’s available on Etsy.
To construct the Badthink Wrongtribe Brush you must first venture to find the ancient Badthink Handle (hewn from ancient oak), and then defeat a herd of viscious Sealions for the Wrongtribe Hairs.
When the stars are right the Brush can be forged anew, in the Forge of Usenet.
“Sufficiently polite nazis–which you cannot tell apart from normal users–will help a community, but uncivil people–even if good!– will harm it.”
What a succinct way to put it! Bravo! It even surpasses the fucking equivocation with “israel bombing palestinian hospitals” and “the trans agenda”
jart is already banned: https://lobste.rs/~jart &, as that comment makes clear, their entire domain is now completely banned from lobste.rs. I think you might be overcompensating a tad here?
Bonus HN drama: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36721197
“Sufficiently polite nazis–which you cannot tell apart from normal users–will help a community, but uncivil people–even if good!– will harm it.”
This is literally how you get a Nazi bar.
Having flashbacks to the rationalwiki discord server
I was today years old when I learned that there was a rationalwiki discord server.
Rationalwiki users later voted to disaffiliate from the discord server for reasons largely unrelated to what I’m having flashbacks about.
multiple RW discords, all officially unofficial
I thought you were paraphrasing but that’s a direct quote lol
now, you might have had similar thoughts about this guy in the most recent Nix post
I’ve had his number since way back.
Non-Nazis, shockingly, are capable of recognizing “sure, they’re following the rules right now; but they’re still Nazis” and deciding not to associate with them. The people who are willing to associate with Nazis… well, you know.
