• Howdy@lemmy.zip
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    9 months ago

    It certainly seems like all roads are leading to a big war soon. Storms a comin fellas. Enjoy what we have now.

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          9 months ago

          . So Gaza doesn’t become all at Bibi’s mercy.

          So you think that would be different from what is happening now.

          Do you think holding more hostages would make a difference?

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            9 months ago

            Having hostages gives Gaza slightly more hope for when the war ends. And not surrendering means they can at least prevent Israel from occupying all of Gaza.

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              9 months ago

              Serious question, without trying to stir shit up:

              Other than international outrage or intervention what would prevent Israel from occupying all of Gaza? Doesn’t Israel outnumber 20:1 in terms of population, and outgun 2024 to 1970 in terms of technology?

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                They outnumber them 3:1, but that aside: Guerilla warfare, probably. No matter how technologically advanced you are, it’s very hard to occupy a population that doesn’t want you there, so it’d depend on how long the West is willing to fund Israel’s Afghanistan.

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    9 months ago

    It’s ok when Zionist colonisers say “from the river to the sea” but it’s hate speech when the original inhabitants or their supporters say it

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      9 months ago

      Just a reminder that before Palestinians lived there Jewish people lived there. I don’t really support either side. I just like saying uncomfortable facts out loud because I’m on the internet. Downvote away

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        8 months ago

        3 thousand years ago? Before there was Jewish or Palestinian people there, the was no one. Hence I believe the area should be completely emptied. Just like to say uncomfortable facts out loud.

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        9 months ago

        Was the original Jewish population ethnically cleansed from the area in living memory? No? Then I don’t fucking care.

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          9 months ago

          So genocide is ok as long as enough time passes from the event? It’s such an obvious dog whistle when those opposed to the current genocide are magically unopposed to the genocide perpetrated against a certain group of people “before 1930”. It’s not ok to perform acts of genocide against the Palestinian civilians today nor is it ok for the historical Jewish populations to have had acts of genocide perpetrated against them.

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        9 months ago

        It depends on how it’s said. Is it said as part of an effort to build a multicultural / religious state or part of an effort to rid the region of other ethnicities?

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          9 months ago

          Well yes, a two state solution will never work but building a new cooperative nation isn’t stretching the borders of either current party

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            9 months ago

            It worked with Native Americans, it worked in South Africa.

            One of Rome’s tyrant emperor’s, Caracalla, granted citizenship to a huge swath of the empire because vesting populations is stabilizing.

            But yea, lets continue the current regimen of apartheid because that keeping the region so safe…

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              The two state solution is going to continue what we have now where they kill each other over the border because neither side is going to be content with it

              If you trust in Hamas, at least you can distrust Netanyahu

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                Why would you assume I trust any Hamas sources when I can just listen to Israeli leaders openly call for genecide? Also Hamas is a corpse of a regime who the West pretends is still alive to justify the genecide. My fear is the power vacuum will be replaced with something much worse. The Iraq war all over again.

                I wouldn’t count out a one state solution eventually. As this genecide and looming regional conflicts isolate Israeli politicians. Because let’s not forget, it’s leadership not civilians that create these horrible events.