So basically the same thing with upgraded hardware?
Looks like it. I agree with the yt comment. They just wanted to get it out so the rumors don’t take control.
Looks like some games may not work via the warning at the end.
That’s probably due to the new controllers. Can’t fit them into the Starlink holder or the Ring Fit anymore.
That’s kind of expected, even without weird peripherals.
Every time a console offers platform level BC there are a few games that uses some undocumented trick to run on the original hardware and end up having trouble on the new hardware.
This is how Sony presents the situation, stating that 4000+ ps4 titles will work on ps5 and then naming the few that don’t:
https://www.playstation.com/en-au/support/games/ps5-backward-compatibility-games/#only
IIRC the list was a little bit longer at first but some devs patched their titles to fix compatibility.
I already have upgraded hardware that can run switch games. It’s called a computer. I built it mostly using parts being sold at offices that were going out of business. I only needed to buy a GPU and a decent PSU. I found a free open source OS, booted it up and installed an open source program called ryujinx. And I barely have any issues playing games on it.
Imagine if Nintendo, instead of wasting all this time, money, rare earth minerals, and contributing to global heating by manufacturing these rather pointless consoles, simply developed games that could be ran on a computer or decently powerful smart phone.
They could focus on making games.
Why are you in the Nintendo community for console gamers commenting about emulation?
I have a PC that I built that runs Linux Mint. I have a Steam Deck. I can also emulate whatever game I want.
Some Nintendo fans just want to buy Nintendo things and enjoy the experience because they love the games. Let gamers enjoy games no matter how they want to play them.
I am also excited for this new console and will be watching it to see if it’s a good fit me in the future.
Honestly I didn’t look at the community, but it shouldn’t matter since criticism should be embraced when it’s made in good faith. Also I don’t care if I get down voted.
Some Nintendo fans just want to buy Nintendo things and enjoy the experience because they love the games.
I agree 100%. And I like these games too. I’m just saying that it’s the games and not the console which is the actual thing that these users love and enjoy.
I doubt users enjoy buying new consoles every few years, dealing with supply chain issues, privacy issues, and contributing to our throw away society.
I used to game on consoles too till my Xbox 360 got a red ring of death, my PS2 just stopped working, and my gamecube stopped reading disks. I realized that I could do nothing to fix them, they had to be recycled, and I would have to replace them with something else. Around the same time I realized how much I can do with a PC. From work, to watching movies, listening to music, and yes even gaming. But the cherry on top was how easy they were to upgrade, change parts, and fix.
I’m not saying that Nintendo shouldn’t be involved in how their games run. But I am saying there really should be other options. Even Sony release games on PC.
I primarily place PC games, but you fundamentally misunderstand the target audience, especially domestic in Japan, their habits, and the usecase of the switch for them.
I deal with tech 24/7. Sometimes I just want push button, no setup gaming. I pc game, I also console game because sometimes software, hardware, drivers and other stuff just get in the way. Just yesterday I was using moonlight to stream from my pc. It refused to display a resolution that worked just 5 minutes prior. After over an hour of troubleshooting, I almost just bought the game on Xbox so I wouldn’t have to mess with it.
They could focus on making games.
They’re already the best in the world at this so idk what you expect firing a few dozen lawyers will add here
I mean, there wasn’t a lot wrong with the switch to begin with.
It couldn’t even play first-party games at a solid 30 fps, and the sticks on the joycons were infamously shitty.
Both of which are fixed with doing the same, but upgrading the hardware…?
Yeah exactly. If those things are fixed and it’s got a better battery and CPU/GPU and more RAM, that’s great. Nintendo had a history of just going in completely different directions with every generation, so it’s good to see them just try and improve on a good thing.
Well don’t forget the DSi, New 3DS, or the Gameboy Color. This feels like pretty much the same as any of those.
That’s what I said. Really though, that is basically what all consoles are. They just used to get really dramatic upgrades because the period of time they released have been big growth periods. These days? Everyone has conformed to the same thing and given up on proprietary stuff. Then I thought about how this really is odd for Nintendo since they genuinely strive to offer something unique and new each time. Then I realized it’s also called switch 2 so I don’t feel like they did anything wrong since what did I expect to change when they are literally telling you what it is which is pretty much defined already.
In the end, I think it’s a smart move. It’s the least disruptive path and probably the cheapest route for them to continue on and as long as the thing is really powerful I think it’s a good idea to continue the brand for another 5 years. I do have my doubts that it will be powerful so that we’ll just have to wait and see. Nintendo has never been big on offering up the most powerful hardware, so I expect it to be a few years behind already.
Nintendo’s main consoles usually change pretty drastically generation to generation after SNES.
SNES -> N64, 3D graphics and bizarre controller.
N64 -> GameCube, sensible controller and generational leap in graphics (better than the PS2 for sure).
GameCube -> Wii, shit graphics but with motion control
Wii -> Wii U, decent graphics, tablet!
Wii U -> Switch, Portable hybrid
Switch -> Switch 2, uhhhh spec bump
It’s definitely out of character
If you compare it to Nintendo’s handheld line then it makes a lot more sense, especially considering the Switch Lite, and OLED Switch.
Gameboy, Gameboy Pocket, Gameboy Light, Gameboy Color
Gameboy Advance, Gameboy Advance SP, Gameboy Advance Micro
DS, DS Lite, DSi/XL
3DS/XL, 2DS, N3DS/XL, N2DS/XL
and now the Switch, Switch Lite, OLED Switch, and now the incremental hardware upgrade with the Switch 2
The Gameboy color, arguably the whole Advance line, DSi, arguably the whole 3DS line, and absolutely the N3DS/N2DS ones were definitely incremental upgrades.
Color obviously brought color and better hardware. Advance brought shoulder buttons and better hardware though no hardware changes within the advance line. DSi introduced the home screen and the online store to the DS line along with better hardware. 3DS brought better hardware and many advancements to the OS experience of the DSi. N3DS brought better hardware and a second joystick.
To me how Nintendo is treating the Switch 2 makes a lot more sense in comparison to the handheld consoles instead of home consoles.
GameCube, sensible controller
No shade on the GameCube controller, but “sensible” is not the first adjective that comes to mind for that thing. It looks like a fever dream.
Maybe a matter of taste; that remains my favorite layout. Massive primary button, smaller secondary button, tertiary buttons wrapped around and in easy reach of the others. Add a left shoulder button and it’s basically perfect to me.
They just used to get really dramatic upgrades because the period of time they released have been big growth periods.
That was most of the tech industry when I was growing up. When I was 13, a computer with a 66 Mhz processor and 32Mb RAM was a beast of a machine, and only 6 years later in '99, we had broken the 1Ghz CPU barrier and were typically installing 256Mb to a whole Gigabyte of RAM.
These days, I can still decently run the majority of modern games on a 12 year old machine. The “home computer revolution” that started in the 80s has most definitely flatlined and nothing very interesting is happening anymore. Kinda the same thing that happened to smartphones. Where now taking shit away (like the headphone jack) is considered “innovation”.
It feels like they are following their handheld releases
Game Boy > Game Boy Pocket > Game Boy Color Game Boy Advanced > Game Boy Advanced SP DS > DSi > DSi XL 3DS > 3DS XL / 2DA > 2D XL
Though this is the first time they are just using a number.
Don’t forget the N3DS which actually was more powerful than the original and had the second, tiny analog stick.
I am still holding out hope for something really cool from the software side.
That can be a good thing. Iterative improvement is vastly underrated.
Welcome to computer hardware upgrades.
gotta wait until April to see any games? damn lol
Huh. I thought it was February because Eurogamer linked the US trailer. I had to go double check. You’re correct.
xx.yy.ZZZZ strikes again.
Did they say for sure that there will not be any game announcements before April? I was hoping, since Nintendo has officially announced the system, developers would start listing it as a release target for their games. Even Nintendo might have a new game trailer and put a sneaky “for the Switch 2” at the end.
they did not, but I am assuming the date in April is when we would see anything regarding it.
side note, I hate the name switch 2. why not super switch? 😭
Because people are very dumb and we’d have a Wii U situation where large amounts of people would think it’s some optional add on for the Switch.
On the bright side it confirms backwards compatibility which is big.
There is a note in the trailer that some Nintendo Switch 1 games won’t be fully compatible, wonder what the differences are that makes a game compatible or not
I am expecting something similar to PS5 backward compatibility, I think there were 11 or 12 games, out of thousands, that had compatibility issue, and even then some of those are playable, just crash now and then.
I’m thinking since there’s no camera at the bottom, some games like the newest warioware won’t work
I’m thinking Labo and ring fit because the console and controller dimensions are different.
I would hope you can still pair an old controller for that
My switch mostly get used for ring fit these days.
Ring Fit is such a fun game! It really gamified exercise in a way that even my ridiculous ADHD brain can’t resist.
Still haven’t gotten past that level with like 120 squats though.
There is no IR-sensor. So maybe the 3 games using them are not compatible.
If fairly priced it’s a great choice if one has been waiting for Switch Pro
Man, the lackadaisical reveal. Hilarious.
Also, the Youtube video is called “Switch 2 First Look”. I see what you did there, Nintendo.
The only reason everyone is whelmed is because of all the leaks.
Had no one known anything, we’d be talking about the bigger size, new joycons and such.
Since there are no surprises we are just confirming what we already know.
I don’t think so. This so far has big Game Boy Color vibes to me. Especially in the context of the Switch OLED being a thing. That’s not necessarily bad, but it’s definitely not comparable to the sheer WTF-ness of the DS, Wii or Switch reveals. And we knew what the Switch was in advance, too.
Nintendo can have a hard time letting go of successful designs sometimes. At least they put a 2 on it instead of a U and made it clear that it’s a new system in the trailer.
I’m ready to change my mind after the direct, but I think the reveal would always have been “Oh, it’s a bigger, more powerful Switch. Alright”.
Just so you know, “whelmed” means the same thing as “overwhelmed”. The word you’re looking for here is “underwhelmed”.
Yeah I thought they were going to do more than just “here’s what it looks like!” we’ve already seen what it looks like from the leaks
They were all “FINE. YOU WANNA SEE IT? HERE IT IS, LOOK AT IT. LOOK. AT. IT. LOOKS LIKE THE LEAKS, DOESN’T IT? NOW GO WAIT IN THE CORNER UNTIL APRIL”.
I’m on board. Most empathetic I’ve felt towards Nintendo in ages.
Hm, Mario Kart 9 seems to look pretty similar to MK8. I had hoped for a new art direction / style.
Did it even say it was MK9?
It’s doesn’t say Mario Kart 9 but that does look like new character models to me. I’m expecting them to drop the numbering system and go back to subtitles anyway though.
No, but it wasn’t footage from Mario Kart 8.
I keep hoping for Mario Kart Ultimate with every retro track, but I know I’m just setting myself up for disappointment.
Super Mario Kart 8++ Ultra 2
Super Switch 2: Turbo Championship Edition and Knuckles
Even if it didn’t, so you really think that Nintendo won’t make Mario cart 9?
I made this FOSS template for easy reuse.
def describe_nintendo_creativity(nintendo_game_name, new_version_number): print( f"Hm, {nintendo_game_name} {new_version_number} seems to look pretty similar " f"to {nintendo_game_name} {new_version_number - 1}." ) describe_nintendo_creativity("Mario Kart", 9) describe_nintendo_creativity("Pokemon", 21)A thing I just thought of is that it’d be super cool if - by using the joy con as a mouse - they had a track creator mode where you could share custom tracks.
I’m excited for backward compatibility. Finally, I can experience the Korok Forest at 12 fps instead of the standard 8.
Just play it on PC. It looks better at 4k too.
do you know if they have a pc at all? or the pc version of the game?
I’m all for it but i hate this “just do on PC” take
I mean they definitely don’t have a switch 2 so
or the pc version of the game?
If you manage to find a PC version of Breath of the Wild/Tears of the Kingdom, please be sure to disable your antivirus before running the .exe and report back with what it does to your PC.
Playing it on PC requires an emulator and a ripped copy of the game.
A ripped copy Isn’t 100% a malicious one, as you can rip your own copy, which many people do to be able to play on pc
I know. My point was that there’s no PC version of the game; Anything claiming to be a PC version is likely malware. Playing on PC requires emulation.
.exe
We don’t say that file extension here, bud.
Every year is the year of the Linux desktop when you’re on lemmy
It’s my favorite echo chamber lol But yeah, I don’t think Linux will ever have the mass appeal that Windows and Mac do, and that’s okay. Still, it’s cool that gaming has been getting easier on Linux what with Proton and native support. It made it feel like I wasn’t giving something up when I gave up Windows.
Lmao I bought my monitors in 2013. It’s 1080p60 here. I have to use adapters because nothing has DVI out anymore. I don’t even care about 4K. 1080p60 is good enough for me. Now excuse me while I burn a CD for my manual 90s car. Today’s soundtrack is The Bends and the moonroof will be open.
Hopefully they let the OG switch titles run with more horsepower.
It would be simpler for them to drop the clock cycle on the new hardware down to match the original hardware when running the BC titles, that way they don’t have to do as much testing to look for side effects.
They can add better upscaling at a minimum.
🤞
Finally! This makes me very happy :)
Me too!
Me too!
Looks good! 🤩
It does!
I am not sure about the exposed connector on the side of the system that inserts into the Joycon. I could see a kid jamming the controller onto the system at a bad angle and breaking it.
It seems like the colored area on the side of the joycon fits pretty snuggly into the recess. I’m not sure if you could put it in at any other angle than the one that would marry them up
As soon as I saw that I thought “there’s this generation’s joycon deadzone”
More like this generations Nintendo DS hinge crack.
The joycon drift can happen regardless of how well you treat the analog sticks
I had exactly the same thought.
This is so big of a design flaw, I wonder if it’s not accepted as a way to sell more…
Hanlon’s razor
I’m very curious what they’ve done to prevent people accidentally forcefully removing it during gameplay. The sliding lock was annoying at first, but if you’ve ever gripped the controller hard at a pivotal moment it’s probably good that it didn’t rip away or even stress the parts.
The leaks showed what looked like a release button like the original joycons.
They moved the charging port to the top!
Seems like there are two which is cool
I like the blue and pink accent colours. Looks fresh!
For those curious about the internal hardware: https://youtu.be/KoN1ZdnreNM
Bigger screen and new ports? Awesome!
Still looks like Switch 1.5, not 2…but I’ll wait until I see hardware specs and games
Specs have been leaked before, starting way back in 2021 regarding the T239 SoC variant.
Since then, especially recently with the motherboard leak, people have pieced together specs that make it ~11x more powerful, but that’s looking at raw numbers and trying to fit that into something we currently know.
Knowing Nintendo, it will be underpowered and underclocked to preserve cost, battery life and make it as stable as possible for the long run.
Something different this time is the DLSS tech though. This might make games run easier no matter the raw numbers by allowing a lower native resolution without losing (much) visual acuity.
But that’s more a story for 3rd party developers, honestly, so I digress. I’ll say I’m cautiously optimistic about the potential of the hardware.
Dlss doesn’t interest me at all, but it might be a bit helpful on the smaller screen
It’s bigger!
I wonder how much power it’ll have
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Do we know anything about the types of sticks they’re using this time? The original Switch’s shit starts drifting so quickly… It’s why I sold the system and just kept my games. My PC and PS5 controllers haven’t broken once, but I went through 4 pairs of joycons in less than a year.
Allegedly it will be Hall-Effect-Sticks.
The drift that joycons get is almost always just caused by dirt/gunk under the joystick flaps. If you spray a little electrical cleaner up under the flaps it fixes the drift immediately. Might have to repeat it 1-2 times a year.
It’s always bothered me how big of deal joycon drift is when it has such an easy fix. Obviously it would be better if I didn’t happen at all, but it seems silly that people are throwing away good controllers that only needed a 5 second cleaning. Only thing I’ve ever had to replace any of my joycon controllers over is problems with the rail connections to the switch, where it swaps back and forth between wireless and direct connected. But my original 2016 joycons are still going strong, just stuck as wireless only joycons.
Not only did I keep them clean like all my other electronics, I had taken them apart to do a deeper cleaning after responses like yours when I posted about it on Reddit. The drift still persisted. I wasn’t just tossing out $70 controllers because they were dirty.
Even if that was the culprit, it still speaks to low quality when other controllers don’t need to be cleaned so often.
Opening up the controller and cleaning the joysticks directly might have actually made it worse. The joysticks have their own lubrication, if you clean the directly you can remove that and ruin them.
My experience has been that cleaning up the joysticks with the controller closed up is safe and generally fixes any drift or sticking buttons. Opening up the controller and trying to clean it with the same spray can be damaging and isn’t recommended.
And to be clear, the actual stick mechanism can break down and cause drift too. But every case of joycon drift I’ve ever seen between my couple sets and friends’ sets were always fixed by a quick spray of cleaner.
You’re vastly downplaying the problem. There’s a reason a class action lawsuit went forward with tons of evidence backing up that it wasn’t simply the user’s error in properly maintaining the joycon. I’ve bought a joycon and had it started drifting within weeks before, even before I had kids. The sticks were just poorly designed, simple as that.
I’m not claiming it’s a standard maintenance practice, most people won’t have the spray, and aren’t accustomed to needing to needing to maintain a joystick like that.
But it is truly a simple, cheap, easy fix for almost all cases of joystick drift (not just on joycons, but all controllers). I really think nintendo should have worked to spread the knowledge, and provided free cleaner to people with issues.
That was not the problem in “almost all cases.” Seriously, look up the class action lawsuit regarding it.
I do believe there are replacement sticks available nowadays that should mostly eliminate drift.
Edit
Yeah, I found them. They’re made by a company called Gulikit. I know the joycons are faulty little things, but I will hand it to nintendo that they’re the easiest controllers to work on currently. No soldering needed to replace the sticks.
I did that exact replacement. One of the Hall replacements began drifting as well.
I’ve never had drift on any other system. Weird.
Yeah, they’re not perfect as drop-in replacements.
They fix the problem of the joystick inputs appearing to hitch when at the edges of the gate, but they have way worse variance in readings when in the default position.
Anecdotally, I found Nintendo’s on-device calibration settings to suck. They don’t give enough control over deadzone and range parameters to actually make up for using a different sensor type. When repairing people’s joycons, I ended up using PC software to overwrite the joycon factory calibrations to make things actually behave…
Yeah I replaced mine with Gulikit sticks after they started drifting while playing BotW. They were surprisingly easy to service, no soldering or special tools required.
Thanks for the tip in your edit. I had 4 pairs of official joycons drift, I eventually just bought a pair of 3rd party ones to keep mounted on it and those have been working fine for over 3 years now. I still have the official joycons, actually had 2 of them serviced and repaired by Nintendo after that class action lawsuit (Nintendo said they’d repair any drifting joycon for free regardless if they’re out of warranty).
I have had numerous sets start to drift, except the set that came with my Diablo special edition switch. I think those are 6 or 7 years old now. It is so odd those are fine but none of my others are.
