They need a two-thirds vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate; or a conventio called by Congress at the request of two-thirds of the state legislatures. Then it has to be ratified by the legislatures of three-quarters of the states.
Even if they managed a super majority on both sides of Congress for Trumplefuck, there’s no way they’re getting 38 States to agree to that.
It’s sad that you guys still think the rule of the constitution is some massive roadblock that they’ve somehow missed. They literally made an Executive Order that just says “No” to the very first sentence of the 14th amendment, do you think none of them noticed? They get to have a vote about ludicrous things, and they get to gleefully destroy the lives of any Republican who dares vote against them. Maybe it gets struck down for the time being? Who cares, the courts are packed, they can realistically just start killing people pretty soon and it’ll start with the disloyals and the true believers as needed as it always does.
You cannot logical trap nor get off on technicalities fascists.
It does not matter to them, they will just do what they want anyways, all that matters is if they can crush anyone who tries to stop them.
They are pushing the boundaries of the conversation and they are testing the waters, and every time they’re pushed back on they use the limp push back to consolidate more power because nobody has been willing to actually stop them.
With all due respect, that is some real defeatist dog shit. Yes, Trump and cronies have no respect for the constitution or the rule of law. But if we collectively roll over at the first fascist executive order, that’s exactly what they want us to do… They are testing the waters. The supreme court is packed, but every circuit court in the country certainly isn’t. And that’s where these battles are already being fought. We need to collectively resist every encroachment, every power grab. Otherwise we’re nearly as culpable as Trump for the rise of fascism.
Violence isn’t the only way to fight fascism. It’s surely a way. But the courts and the school districts are two early battle grounds where folks are already pushing back (non-violently) and preventing some of that inching forward.
Look at it this way… We have a portfolio of tools to fight fascism. Sometimes, yes, the proper response to a specific incursion is direct action. Sometimes you can accomplish more with other means (fighting back in the courts, etc.). It doesn’t have to be all or nothing, and in fact I’d argue you accomplish the most by picking your tools wisely for each battle.
I think the logic is sound… If anyone is allowed to introduce legislation against established reforms infinitely many times, you get gish galloped to death and they will eventually get their way no matter how terrible the idea is. Because it’s a deep ideology, you must get rid of the person to get rid of the idea.
We need to stop acting like the norms matter at all, like the rules still apply. We must treat this like what it is: a threat to our very survival.
The US government, at least the parts that actually could do something about this, are on the brink of total collapse or dismantlement. I hate to say it but I think the time for peaceful resistance is long since past, i don’t see any way this is going to end without bloodshed
Trump is ruling by executive order and no one is stopping him from doing any of it, constitutional or not.
He’ll just issue an executive order to lower the threshold and at best that order gets challenged and goes to the SCOTUS, and we all know what will happen there.
The only effective short-term roadblocks are going to be legal challenges, like the ones WA’s governor and AG have been preparing for. You’re right that this only works until it gets overturned by SCOTUS, and it doubly hurts progressives because we now have to spend resources (time and money) fighting nonsense instead of fighting for causes we want…like some goddamn healthcare.
It’s obviously completely performative, this is a very common move in US politics in general, I’ve noticed–introducing a bill they know is definitely not going to pass, but makes them look good to their base.
Good fucking luck with that hurdle.
They need a two-thirds vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate; or a conventio called by Congress at the request of two-thirds of the state legislatures. Then it has to be ratified by the legislatures of three-quarters of the states.
Even if they managed a super majority on both sides of Congress for Trumplefuck, there’s no way they’re getting 38 States to agree to that.
I don’t think the law is a restricting factor for the trump regime.
That’s what the Trump regime wants us to think.
Laws only apply if they are enforced.
Which is why I often find myself saying the Trump admin will face one of two types of justice: vigilante or none.
It’s sad that you guys still think the rule of the constitution is some massive roadblock that they’ve somehow missed. They literally made an Executive Order that just says “No” to the very first sentence of the 14th amendment, do you think none of them noticed? They get to have a vote about ludicrous things, and they get to gleefully destroy the lives of any Republican who dares vote against them. Maybe it gets struck down for the time being? Who cares, the courts are packed, they can realistically just start killing people pretty soon and it’ll start with the disloyals and the true believers as needed as it always does.
You cannot logical trap nor get off on technicalities fascists. It does not matter to them, they will just do what they want anyways, all that matters is if they can crush anyone who tries to stop them.
They are pushing the boundaries of the conversation and they are testing the waters, and every time they’re pushed back on they use the limp push back to consolidate more power because nobody has been willing to actually stop them.
With all due respect, that is some real defeatist dog shit. Yes, Trump and cronies have no respect for the constitution or the rule of law. But if we collectively roll over at the first fascist executive order, that’s exactly what they want us to do… They are testing the waters. The supreme court is packed, but every circuit court in the country certainly isn’t. And that’s where these battles are already being fought. We need to collectively resist every encroachment, every power grab. Otherwise we’re nearly as culpable as Trump for the rise of fascism.
If you aren’t willing to kill them then they will inch forward until they win. That is why civil wars have existed.
Violence isn’t the only way to fight fascism. It’s surely a way. But the courts and the school districts are two early battle grounds where folks are already pushing back (non-violently) and preventing some of that inching forward.
Preventing some, some of the time, is how you get here, inch by inch, and eventually earlier wins become future losses.
Look at it this way… We have a portfolio of tools to fight fascism. Sometimes, yes, the proper response to a specific incursion is direct action. Sometimes you can accomplish more with other means (fighting back in the courts, etc.). It doesn’t have to be all or nothing, and in fact I’d argue you accomplish the most by picking your tools wisely for each battle.
There are only two tried and true methods I am aware of to stop fascists:
I’m going to enjoy seeing this comment get removed. I’ll think about it as I’m put on the train to the death camp.
I think the logic is sound… If anyone is allowed to introduce legislation against established reforms infinitely many times, you get gish galloped to death and they will eventually get their way no matter how terrible the idea is. Because it’s a deep ideology, you must get rid of the person to get rid of the idea.
Trump is the candidate during next election
Red States let him be an option even though they shouldn’t
He wins enough red States to have a majority
They name him president even though it’s against the Constitution
The supreme Court is packed with his picks so they don’t do anything about it
Tada! Civil war? Dissolution of the USA? Who knows!?!
This.
We need to stop acting like the norms matter at all, like the rules still apply. We must treat this like what it is: a threat to our very survival.
The US government, at least the parts that actually could do something about this, are on the brink of total collapse or dismantlement. I hate to say it but I think the time for peaceful resistance is long since past, i don’t see any way this is going to end without bloodshed
Trump is ruling by executive order and no one is stopping him from doing any of it, constitutional or not.
He’ll just issue an executive order to lower the threshold and at best that order gets challenged and goes to the SCOTUS, and we all know what will happen there.
The only effective short-term roadblocks are going to be legal challenges, like the ones WA’s governor and AG have been preparing for. You’re right that this only works until it gets overturned by SCOTUS, and it doubly hurts progressives because we now have to spend resources (time and money) fighting nonsense instead of fighting for causes we want…like some goddamn healthcare.
Delay. Deny. Depose.
There’s already an injunction against one of his orders. I’m sure more will come.
Unfortunately those are only for the states that filed suit against it.
The Night of the Long Knives would like to have a word with you
It’s obviously completely performative, this is a very common move in US politics in general, I’ve noticed–introducing a bill they know is definitely not going to pass, but makes them look good to their base.