It’s funny that I see this exact same argument repeated frequently, regardless of which political leanings the forums I’m reading take.
There are bad actors out there seeking to torment good people until they snap and actually internalize the idea that behaving poorly, deliberately, is a good idea. They don’t care one bit what you believe, only that they don’t like you and want you to hurt yourself.
Stay safe.
Don’t have to go low to tell the fucking truth and call it as it is. They just need to stop pandering and open their fucking mouths.
its actually a UNIPARTY, a coalition party of both sides. because majority of the time they do vote together on some issues but not others.
The capitalist party if you would
Everyone needs to do their part. That includes you and me. Dont wait for others to step up, show responsibility by leading by example.
As much as i am applied by the behavior and ideas of the Republican GOP… I am disappointed by the lack of any real effort to stop them from the Democrats
they seem to be afraid of offending them
Because they’re nothing more than controlled opposition.
Shame used to work; it doesn’t anymore. (Soap box.)
Voting used to work; it doesn’t anymore. (Ballot box.)
The courts used to work; they don’t anymore. (Jury box.)
You know what’s next.
The problem was the DNC running sham primaries…
Neoliberals just got voted out of DNC leadership. And Martin just got two neoliberl superdelegates who sat on the committee that had been influencing primaries to completely leave the DNC.
That is fucking huge. And everyone is just ignoring it, it even worse, acting like it’s a bad thing.
The war over the Dem party is done. Neoliberals lost, Americans won.
One party acts like it cares about people and the other party doesn’t care about even trying, but they both work for the same people.
Why would they grow a spine? The people funding them are the same as those funding the people who are fine with this happening.
From 2003 to 2010 the DNC managed to heavily restrict campaign finance large sum donations, until the 5 conservative SCOTUS judges overturned it in Citizens United.
A DNC core platform stance is to undo Citizens United, but it takes 60 senators to update the constitution and there have not been more than 50 in over a decade.
Please they might have that on paper, but I promise you if they had a 60 seat majority, they would find two Democrats to vote with the Republicans to defeat it. Hell you have Republicans in the DNC. That’s right many members with D by their names are secretly Republicans. They are plants. Funny thing is the DNC knows it but doesn’t expell them or call it out.
So no they don’t want to stop taking the money. They just got rid of Hogg and the guy leading the DNC claimed it was because he was hurting his fundraising.
Call their fucking bet, then? You have a party of absolute corruption and a party that hasn’t had a chance to do the things they say they will, the choice seems really clear to me.
Call their fucking bet, how?
This is seriously some low effort attempt to cover for democrats or an actual delusion?
“They’re not doing anything significant, so let’s vote them all in so they can cry and while while doing nothing significant.”
Actions speak louder than words, popularity stunts are not political actions.
Elect 60 (or more) of them to senate for the first time in over 40 years.
If they don’t pass their core policies, then there is no party representing the people and the radicals will have the opportunity to become mainstream and tear it down.
If they do pass campaign finance laws, overturn citizens united, election reform, expand congress, reform the SCOTUS, tax the rich, and public option healthcare or even Medicaid for All: we all win.
That still isn’t enough to cut off Israel, but certainly lessens their power by gutting AIPAC and substantially lowers their support in Congress compared to before.
Please enlighten us. What does “calling their bet” look like?
They’re still one of two major parties in a two party system.
Electing 60 of them to the senate for the first time since 1979.
Democrats HAVE had a chance to do what they promise. Several times. You have to seriously be completely ignorant to recent history if you think all the Democrats need is a majority…
I will repeat, electing 60 of them to the senate for the first time since 1979.
Also I urge people to vote
The Democrats are many many years overdue for a spine. But I still (perhaps naievely) want to believe that it’s possible to win without going low.
Maybe I’m just crazy and need my tinfoil hat adjusted, but a race to the bottom still fucks us all over.
Holding people accountable for their actions isn’t “going low”. Holding people accountable for the knock on effects of their actions isn’t “going low”. Holding people accountable for their own previous statements isn’t “going low”. Callong out blatant lies and misdirection isn’t “going low”. Actually enforcing laws equally against people privileged financially and/or politically isn’t “going low”. Calling out blatant corruption isn’t “going low”.
We don’t need the Democrats to start pushing candidates that are only following their own interests while wheeling out whatever their base wants to hear. We don’t need Democrats cutting backroom deals with businesses that screw over their constituents. We don’t need more toxic waste and diarrehia, just with blue food coloring.
I refuse to believe people actually want “Trump but saying leftist shit to appease people”.
it’s possible to win without going low
Oh my god wake the FUCK up.
There’s a massive space between the ineffective high road and the counterproductive low road that can be used to win. Calling out bullshit, reliably following through on a platform for the masses, holding people accountable all fall in between the two extremes.
Flipping to the opposite extreme isn’t the solution.
Hmmm perhaps but where is the financial incentive?
What do you consider “going low”?
If you mean the type of schoolyard insults Trump lobs out, I dislike that but that’s just optics. Mud-slinging is whatever.
When we’re talking going low in regards to truly matching the lowest of what Trump’s base is doing, they’re literally abducting citizens. Making deals with clear persistent enemies of the state as if they’re allies. Two politicians were just fucking assassinated.
I’m not personally prepared to accept full open warfare yet. Gun violence in the streets. Too much collateral.
If that’s truly necessary already, then we’re so far beyond discussions of what the Democrats should or shouldn’t do that this entire thread (including the OP picture) is just wasting time.
If things are that bad, people would need to get off their asses and start throwing literal blood and lives to the cause of overthrowing Trump. I’m still not convinced we’re there yet. If you disagree, either lead by example and get out there with your rifle, or say more to convince those of us not up to speed instead of attacking potential allies.
Start organizing a militia and get the fuck out of threads like this one that would give the intelligence agencies reasons to watch you and kill momentum before it starts, or work outreach and do more to convince people into the cause. To do anything else is irresponsible and self defeating.
There are no two major parties in the US … it’s all the same party
Why the fuck is one party treated differently then the other party?
If they are the fucking same they would advocate for same shit and vote alone the same lines… that doesn’t fucking happen.
They represent different factions of the rich. These factions do not agree on some things but they both don’t care about you.
That doesn’t make them the same.
It makes them materially the same to you in the long term. Besides, I was only answering your question. Also they do advocate along the same lines and vote similarly quite often. Usually when it comes to foreign policy like aiding genocides and toppling foreign governments. Normal, reasonable stuff that you don’t get a choice in yk
it’s too late for any of this. fascists will continue to do whatever tf they want and face zero consequences, while everyone else continues to peacefully protest and accomplish nothing.
if anything actually changes in the next year, i’ll be the first to come back and say i was wrong.
but we’ve been on this path for going on 10 years. nothing’s going to change
I think maybe the only hope is that Trump dies, nobody has the charisma to replace him, and the right devours itself.
They’ll figure something out. The right will rally around even losers like PP up in Canada if need be.
The democrats are not on our side they are just the lite beer version of the other guys
So… We need to start calling Trump supporters slurs?
Jokes on you, I’ve been calling them retarded for years.
