We have no recall option! WTF! We should have such a mechanism. We should ask Congress to enact a law where we the people can recall the president via votes if we can collect enough signatures just like we are able to do for other things.
We do. It’s the 2nd amendment. Literally what it was written for, the forceful reclamation of democratic freedom should it be taken by a tyrannical leadership. Too bad everyone that actually gives a damn about that option is on red team, and blue team thinks the 2nd amendment is for killing children and nothing else.
This is exactly why I’ve always maintained that the 2nd amendment against tyranny is complete and utter horseshit. There will never, ever, be a case in which civilians can take up arms against the US government and have any remote shot of doing anything. Any tyrannical government will get to where they are with such significant support they will be so ridiculously protected you’d have to take on the entire military and legal branches of the USA.
In 1814 when everyone had a flintlock pistol? Sure. Now? Have fun getting remote drone striked before you even step foot into Washington D.C.
Yeah, let’s just organize 100,000+ people right under the nose of the US government, on the damn homefront, to overthrow a tyrannical government, all the while being spied on via every backdoor on Earth by the NSA. Good luck and have fun having your house burned down.
Let’s pretend any of that actually matters and the US government doesn’t have a history of losing to locals, and ask the following: what happens if you willingly disarm yourself? Criminals will still have guns, your police will still shoot “less-lethal” rounds into the heads of protesters, and you will still be oppressed.
What do you get out of this? A fraction of the illusion of safety? And all it cost you was the last defense against oppression anyone has.
Then just move.
I know the current administration is happy you are spreading propaganda that states to roll over since there’s nothing to do.
You are the maga hero.
Look, I’m not saying to just roll over, but wtf are we supposed to do. The second amendment is there, I don’t see anyone utilizing it, and I don’t think they ever will.
I believe in the 2nd Amendment, but certainly NOT to overthrow the government for light and transient causes. I don’t take Trump lightly, but he hasn’t turned into a total despot yet. There is grave risk, but there’s also a chance his abuses will lead to reforms that limit Executive branch powers. I think many non-Republicans like our guns as much as Republicans, but we don’t bluster about them and unlike Republicans we don’t rebel because our candidate lost an election.
This is destroying the Agency. People come to work terrified every day. I don’t know a single competent and qualified person who isn’t actively looking for work elsewhere and the only people who will be left to serve our Veterans are those with no other choices. The amount of sheer experience, knowledge, and brainpower being lost is irreplaceable, and the trust is already broken. We’ll never get it back. I am heartbroken that so many Republicans deeply, deeply hate us for doing our best every single day to serve Veterans. I will never forgive them for this.
I don’t know what you think despotism looks like, but this sure as hell isn’t democracy nor is it a republic. This has nothing to do with losing an election, this has to do with some people’s fantasy that Trump will ever give up power. I guess we need to wait until evidence surfaces, and then only iron clad evidence that the worst is happening will possibly motivate them, maybe.
I disagree with your overall assessment that we are experiencing “light” or “transient” causes for general revolt.
That moment was Jan 6th. There was no heavy and hard change in Hitler’s Germany from the Beer Hall Putsch all the way to Stalingrad and the gas chambers. It’s all boiling the frog from here to there. Every change will seem like a light and transient one. By the time you feel you should go all in on the 2A, you will be mostly alone. That is by design.
In fact, we are already in the Gleichschaltung and the appeasement phase.
Many states have done things like that. the problem is for the feds its all defined in the constitution so getting an overwhelming majority to agree to limit power needs an overwhelming push.
Imo the best thing to do would be push for a constitutional amendment that creates an initiative system that fully bypasses congress.
Here’s something we could fix:
We have no recall option! WTF! We should have such a mechanism. We should ask Congress to enact a law where we the people can recall the president via votes if we can collect enough signatures just like we are able to do for other things.
We do. It’s the 2nd amendment. Literally what it was written for, the forceful reclamation of democratic freedom should it be taken by a tyrannical leadership. Too bad everyone that actually gives a damn about that option is on red team, and blue team thinks the 2nd amendment is for killing children and nothing else.
I mean, to be fair, the red team thinks it’s pretty much only for killing children too…
It’s ok once they’re born, god only loves fetuses.
This is exactly why I’ve always maintained that the 2nd amendment against tyranny is complete and utter horseshit. There will never, ever, be a case in which civilians can take up arms against the US government and have any remote shot of doing anything. Any tyrannical government will get to where they are with such significant support they will be so ridiculously protected you’d have to take on the entire military and legal branches of the USA.
In 1814 when everyone had a flintlock pistol? Sure. Now? Have fun getting remote drone striked before you even step foot into Washington D.C.
The Taliban won and they don’t have advanced technology.
Yeah, let’s just organize 100,000+ people right under the nose of the US government, on the damn homefront, to overthrow a tyrannical government, all the while being spied on via every backdoor on Earth by the NSA. Good luck and have fun having your house burned down.
Let’s pretend any of that actually matters and the US government doesn’t have a history of losing to locals, and ask the following: what happens if you willingly disarm yourself? Criminals will still have guns, your police will still shoot “less-lethal” rounds into the heads of protesters, and you will still be oppressed.
What do you get out of this? A fraction of the illusion of safety? And all it cost you was the last defense against oppression anyone has.
I really don’t care to get into overarching discussion of the 2nd amendment, it’s been done to death. It’s also not what this conversation was about.
Then just move. I know the current administration is happy you are spreading propaganda that states to roll over since there’s nothing to do. You are the maga hero.
Look, I’m not saying to just roll over, but wtf are we supposed to do. The second amendment is there, I don’t see anyone utilizing it, and I don’t think they ever will.
When CW II kicks off some people will be caught, some people will be thrown in prison, and some people will be killed.
Remember it’s “home of the brave”, not “home of the cowards”.
I have yet to be proven otherwise.
It’s already been proven.
Ah, okay, my bad.
Yeah idk man, once they start putting IEDs on I-90 things are gonna change real quick.
I believe in the 2nd Amendment, but certainly NOT to overthrow the government for light and transient causes. I don’t take Trump lightly, but he hasn’t turned into a total despot yet. There is grave risk, but there’s also a chance his abuses will lead to reforms that limit Executive branch powers. I think many non-Republicans like our guns as much as Republicans, but we don’t bluster about them and unlike Republicans we don’t rebel because our candidate lost an election.
From a VA employee:
https://open.substack.com/pub/progressreport/p/revenge-of-the-whiny-pampered-baby?r=2lkdbh
I don’t know what you think despotism looks like, but this sure as hell isn’t democracy nor is it a republic. This has nothing to do with losing an election, this has to do with some people’s fantasy that Trump will ever give up power. I guess we need to wait until evidence surfaces, and then only iron clad evidence that the worst is happening will possibly motivate them, maybe.
I disagree with your overall assessment that we are experiencing “light” or “transient” causes for general revolt.
That moment was Jan 6th. There was no heavy and hard change in Hitler’s Germany from the Beer Hall Putsch all the way to Stalingrad and the gas chambers. It’s all boiling the frog from here to there. Every change will seem like a light and transient one. By the time you feel you should go all in on the 2A, you will be mostly alone. That is by design.
In fact, we are already in the Gleichschaltung and the appeasement phase.
dude… they’re making concentration camps. This isn’t just a “candidate”
Not just the president, but any elected official.
Now why would the elected officials do something to their own detriment? You want them to act like representatives or how they’ve been acting?
Many states have done things like that. the problem is for the feds its all defined in the constitution so getting an overwhelming majority to agree to limit power needs an overwhelming push.
Imo the best thing to do would be push for a constitutional amendment that creates an initiative system that fully bypasses congress.