I think this is a combination of inflation and employers wanting people to return to the office. I am excited for people to return to the office as it means I can earn a lot more money.

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    There is nothing in the article that supports the headline. As far as I can tell, it’s just another way of saying ‘Americans are worry about the economy’.

    I’m specifically worried about jobs, though. We need more jobs with better conditions and higher taxes on them. That sounds like a recipe for disaster, but that’s only true if we continue to allow the 1% to own more than the entire middle class. An excess of private wealth necessarily leads to an excess of public squalor.

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      An excess of private wealth necessarily leads to an excess of public squalor.

      That isn’t true at all. The ultra-wealth, like Elon or Bezos, is not the reason you are poor. Their wealth is paper wealth.

      Do you think Elon could convert his stock to that much cash? He can’t.

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        That isn’t true at all. The ultra-wealth, like Elon or Bezos, is not the reason you are poor. Their wealth is paper wealth.

        For private individuals who cannot print money and cannot effect the rate that a government prints money, the economy is a zero sum game. So the rich hoarding wealth directly impacts and impoverishes the rest of us.

        Do you think Elon could convert his stock to that much cash? He can’t.

        Peepin made the claim, and supported it saying that the 1% own more than the entire middle class. You dismissed that, and demanded a high level of evidence for a different claim, the claim that stock can be converted to cash.

        But that wasn’t the original claim. Owning stock is still a form of owning wealth, even if it isn’t perfectly liquid. Peepin’s claims of the 1% owning more than the middle class is true.

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          So the rich hoarding wealth directly impacts and impoverishes the rest of us. Cite. That goes against every economic theory I have seen.

          You dismissed that, and demanded a high level of evidence for a different claim, the claim that stock can be converted to cash.

          How to say you don’t understand wealth or cash.

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            Cite. That goes against every economic theory I have seen.

            I already supported that claim:

            For private individuals who cannot print money and cannot effect the rate that a government prints money, the economy is a zero sum game.

            You can’t just magic a few zeros onto your bank account. Wealth has to come from somewhere. Every dollar you make selling car tires (assuming you even own said production) means that a dollar of potential sales has been used. There is a limit to how many car tires can be sold. It is for the most part a zero sum game.

            Regardless of how you’re ignoring what I said:

            https://www.epi.org/blog/inequality-main-persistent-poverty/

            How to say you don’t understand wealth or cash.

            Are you saying stocks are not a form of wealth?

            Or does this comment merely serve to insult my intelligence?

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              For private individuals who cannot print money and cannot effect the rate that a government prints money, the economy is a zero sum game

              Neither can Elon. Yet you tried to link the two. The rich have nothing to do with you being poor. That’s economics 101.

              I don’t buy into the economic inequality theory. It’s bogus. Rich people are not why you are poor.

              Are you saying stocks are not a form of wealth?

              It is but it’s not cash. It’s not easy to convert that amount of stock to cash. It’s funny money.

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                Neither can Elon

                That’s my point. There is a limit to how many car tires can be sold. So when the rich sell more, that necessarily takes away potential sales from others. It’s basically a zero sum game.

                And the rich own all the factories and production. So every dollar of product they sell is a dollar of sales that goes to them. That leaves not enough for the rest of us, making us impoverished.

                It is but it’s not cash

                But it’s wealth. And the original claim was about wealth, not cash. You are moving the goal posts, which is fallacious.

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                  So when the rich sell more, that necessarily takes away potential sales from others

                  Not sure you understand how companies work. When they sell something. It doesn’t go into the pocket of Elon. It does into the funds of the company. For every Tesla sold. Elon receives zero dollars.

                  And the rich own all the factories and production

                  Elon owns zero factories. Same with bezos. Neither own any of those items.

                  So every dollar of product they sell is a dollar of sales that goes to them

                  Zero dollar goes to either one. I’m starting to see why you make the rants you make. You don’t understand shareholders or companies well.

                  If I buy ten teslas. Elon received zero dollars. If I spend a million dollars at Amazon bezos receives zero dollars.

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                    When they sell something. It doesn’t go into the pocket of Elon. It does into the funds of the company. For every Tesla sold. Elon receives zero dollars.

                    Again, you’re getting hung up on literal cash. Cash is not the only form of wealth. And the rich get their wealth from these companies. Sometimes it is literal cash, but most often it is in the form of stocks.

                    And the wealth these companies earn disproportionately goes to the rich, the stock holders, upper management, etc.

                    Elon owns zero factories. Same with bezos. Neither own any of those items.

                    The rich own the companies that own the production. I know you’re more intelligent than this.

                    Zero dollar goes to either one

                    Again, you’re getting hung up on the distinction between cash, stock, and wealth.