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    9 months ago

    We are there.

    I will vote for Joe Biden if he publicly condemns Israel. From his lips. In an address to the nation.

    I will not if he doesn’t.

    Simple as that.

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        9 months ago

        Stop doing that you insufferable pea-brained dolt.

        Not voting for Biden doesn’t mean I’m voting for Trump.

        Idiots like you sit there like your vote is a party popper you MUST use to show if your streamers and confetti are blue or red.

        I am disgusted with the options I am presented with. I get no streamers or confetti…

        Unless Biden condemns the Israeli genocide of Palestine and champions imposing massive embargoes on Israel while fully ceasing any funding in full.

        Then I might believe he (and the DNC) are humbling WAY the fuck up, listening to their constituents, and correcting course is the SMALLEST of ways.

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          I vote for anyone but Biden, or even a no vote, is a vote for Trump.

          If you think Palestine is in bad shape under Biden, try to imagine how much worse it’d be with Trump.

          The only way to get Democrat candidates on the left is to crush the right wing so that the Overton window moves.

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            9 months ago

            You are the uncle Tom piece of shit that has lead this country here.

            I do not vote for Biden. I do not vote for Trump.

            You can’t make me.

            Your rhetoric is outdated, idiotic, and counter-productive.

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              9 months ago

              Nobody is going to make you vote one way or another, but please recognize the following:

              The United States is currently a two party system. It sucks. We need to push for more ranked choice voting, as well as direct popular vote.

              However, until we’re able to achieve something that makes this parties viable, we will continue to have issues with the right wing getting undue influence in our politics.

              Vote with your heart, but make sure that you’re okay with another Trump presidency of you decide not to vote for Biden.

              Keep in mind as you do so that more than one state had enough votes for Jill Stein that if they had gone to Hillary, Trump never would have become president.

              We should have viable parties outside of the two not great to horrible parties we have now. But that’s simply not the way our government works as it stands now.

              Last thing: you’ve become a single issue voter. This is the lefty equivalent of only caring about abortion and ignoring literally everything else. Politics is complicated, and I personally find single issue voters incredibly shortsighted and lazy.

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                  9 months ago

                  Instead youll sit idle by as fascism takes over. You are no less responsible if you dont vote.

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                    9 months ago

                    Biden. Is. Funding. Genocide.

                    He is actively exploiting Bush era “emergency powers” that were never rolled back after 9/11 to sell artillery to Israel.

                    He is fascist too.

                    This is what happens when you let soft brained morons convince you that supporting lesser evil is mandatory. You support evil and both sides continually get worse.

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              9 months ago

              One of those two will be president no matter what you do. They will then be in a position capable of inflicting great damage. Trump will use that position to hurt more people than Biden. The math here isn’t complicated, and it continually astounds me how many people on the left cannot actually solve the trolly problem when faced with it for real. It really shows which people are engaged in politics as a means to an end rather than as personal expression or a hobby.

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                  9 months ago

                  I don’t support anyone. I oppose the worst outcome, and seek to steer our course away from it. Only narcissists and hobbyists hyperventilate about who they are “supporting”.

                  I engage in politics as a means to an end and nothing more. I take the best option available and I move on to the next task. To do otherwise is to value the self above the collective, and as a communist that is not a luxury I’m afforded.

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      It’s a two party system. You vote Biden or get Trump. Trump has less problem with ethnic cleansing. If fact Trump is the kind that might try it in the US.

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          9 months ago

          You think Trump is less pro-genocide? Until you can change the system, you end up choosing who you think is less genocidy.

          Edit: spelling

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            You misunderstand.

            If my only choices are to vote for “genocide” and “more genocide”, why shouldn’t I cast a 9mm ballot into the roof of my mouth?

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                  And how does that translate into a two party voting system? One is multiple times worse than other. What can you do so neither ends up president? Nothing. You only choice is to choose the least bad.

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                    I referenced Tunisia because a man committing suicide literally changed their government.

                    If the only choice is “genocide lite” and “genocide deluxe” then the system must be destroyed.

                    If my only choice is to vote for genocide then I want to die.