I mean, that’s what phone books were.
True but nefarious people didn’t have the additional tool of the internet back then.
Phone books exist online, too.
For home phones and business. But I can’t name 3 people I know that have a home phone anymore, everyone has their own cell phone and they don’t list those. My condo building offers free home phone but I don’t want it, it’s just telemarketers now anyways.
He’s talking about the olden days when anybody could be found in the phone book. And that’s all we had was a phone book. No internet. The olden days. You might not remember that because you might not have been born back then.
Doubt
Nah, nobody can wreck my life better than me.
when someone steals your identity and your credit rating starts going up
Not a whole lot can be done with a first and last name and a phone number. If someone is motivated they don’t need any of this to do harm.
As an example at my job people know my first and last name and I give it to people voluntarily without knowing anything about the other person. While I don’t give out my personal phone number, I know lots of people that do. Sometimes on their business card or even email.
You may be over thinking this and just use it as a lesson to be a bit more guarded and aware of social pressure in the future.
Thank you. After a good night of sleep I agree with your last paragraph.
Have you heard of swatting? Spoof a call from your number to 911 and make up something really bad sounding.
Yes, anything related to spoofing, that’s what I was afraid of. But don’t they need to know more information to spoof, such as your address and birth date etc?
No, the phone system is horribly insecure.
You’re either fishing for ideas or you pissed someone off and are scared for they might pull on you.
Why are you assuming I’M the bad guy?? I met a sociopath this evening and he charmed me into giving him my phone number and full legal name. He’s like the classic American-Psycho-type profile. I’m scared.
What kinda of pick up line does a guy gotta use to get your full name. You make it sound like he strong armed you. I think you’re over reacting, creeps are gonna be creeps to everyone, ignore him if he contacts you. In fact block his number. In a few days you’ll forget about them.
He put my first name into his phone then he asked me my last name so I told him then he put that into his phone too. Only a few hours later I realized I should not have told him my last name. Why did he ask my last name? Only a sociopath would ask so many things of someone after only knowing them for 5 minutes. He had a way with interpersonal skills, my guard went down and I felt like I trusted him and felt safe, but now my stranger danger alarm is screaming.
Well no, id say having a first and last name is pretty common, especially if they want to add you on a social media account. There are plenty of reasons for why he asked for your last name, he could just be ocd and want full names in his phone. There couldve already been a Lemmyknowsbest in his phone and needed your last name to tell you two apart.
FWIW I try to get someone’s full name when they give me their number so I don’t mix the name up with someone else in my phone.
Same
Most likely he already has someone with your first name in his contact list.
Even if not, it will be much easier to remember who that is after the record gets forgotten: one can look up a person’s name in the internet and that works better with a full name
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Doesn’t really work outside the US.
It does I’m in the UK and have been swatted, completely wrecked my life for a few months I was interrogated/interviewed dozens of times in dozens of stations and my dad even got arrested and cautioned during it.
Worst thing about it as soon as they realise they have messed up they double down on trying to get you on anything.
Shit, that sounds like the opposite of what they (if you mean Bobbies) should do. But that’s the reality we’re in :(
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Probably not without using that information to attain additional details. Things like address, family member’s names, job, can all be obtained without leaving their computer for almost no cost (or free, but with less accurate results sometimes).
After that, what they could do is really up to how much effort they put in, contrasted with how much effort you put in to preventing. A swat team could show up at your door with little effort on their part. Or if they wanted to go through the effort of social engineering/dumpster diving/remote hacking their way into enough info to steal your identity.
2FA with strong passwords at a bare minimum. And not “strong” according to the website’s account creation page, actually strong (which is itself a moving target to define, and is always in debate).
Any loved ones who may have potential access to sensitive information should also be prepared similarly to avoid some of the more catch-all scams such as phishing.
Spoofing a number means they can call somebody and appears as calling from your number. In order to receive SMS or call made to your number, they would have to hijack your SIM, typically convincing your telecom provider to transfer your phone info over to theirs.
In the US, someone knowing your full name and phone number is commonplace. There is no wide-spead havoc because of this. Someone who wants to harm you would really have to be motivated to get more information from the info you gave them. This is obviously possible because of wide-spread data leaks, but does your emissary have the perseverance and the knowledge to do this?
There have been cases with Verizon where by simply stating your name and phone number they’ll just ship anybody the victims sim card. Happened to h3h3. I think they’ve stopped that now but it’s scary knowing your livelihood is at the whim of a min wage call center operator.
In terms of data leaks I’ve been really lucky, in part since I’ve been pretty proactive. Extremely careful to rarely give any info to any service, especially social security. Using haveibeenpwned.com will tell you if your info is involved in any data breaches.
Have I been pawned is really nice, but only includes confirmed data leaks. If you use other services like Google or Malwarebyte, they will tell you more leaks. I was involved with the MoveIt data leak from a financial institution recently, which basically leaked all the information that possibly can be partly/wholely used for identity theft. This didn’t show up in HIBP. Fidelity Financial Life Insurance just leaked enough info via Infosys for another 30,000 customers with enough data for identity thefts recently.
In the US, it seems if somebody is able financially to aggregate all these sensitive data leaks, they probably can cause havocs to many people. These info often come from financial institutions, which you can’t totally withhold or lie about your personal information.
And given that this info is relatively freely available, one’s only protection is low probability of being chosen on random from a really long list of leaked accounts
That depends very much on which country and culture.
Not where I live as anyone can more or less look that up online for anyone. That’s why I find it so fun when I hear those YouTube sponsors about how your full name and your birthday might be online, so pay this company to check for it and try to remove it.
It’s not that hard to get both for most people. The phone book whitepages used to list those. There are various services that aggregate them now.
Given that it’s not all havoc out there, probably not trivially.
But…by the same token, there’s nothing intrinsically about knowing your physical address that would let someone do that. But…they could go firebomb your house or something.
Okay but I just said full name and phone number. Not address. What can they do with JUST a full name and phone number?
Usually they can look up your address if your name is in any way unique or uncommon, especially if they have your phone number as well. Some sites may show associated email addresses, then there’s things like LinkedIn (if you use it) or other social media sites that link to a name.
okay well I’m not worried if anybody finds my address. I live a thousand miles away from that address.
I guess the thing I’m mostly worried about is “phone number spoofing,” something related to you know how you get two factor authentification with certain websites where they send you a phone call or a text to make sure it’s really you? Well some people have figured out a way to get that 2FA sent to themselves after they spoof your phone number, They can do this with your bank account and drain it, things like that. and this is spooking me out because I want to make sure it’s impossible for anyone to do this to me.
Do those people also know your online banking username and password?
Hello my name is Christopher l brown My phone number is 6154183400 We can test and see if anyone can do anything with that info. Please dont use this to come kill or rape me. But you can send me money via my number on like cash or chime.
okay now you’re freaking me out because the person who raised concern in me yesterday and why I am posting about this, his name was Christopher.
by the way I’m pretty sure you’re not supposed to put phone numbers or identifying information on Lemmy. isn’t that against the rules or something
You’re not allowed to dox other users. You’re perfectly free to dox yourself
Well christopher is a very popular name. Theres to many in my opinion.
My brother is a Christopher also. I think it was a common name circa 1950s-1970s. Not so much anymore in Gen z or Gen Alpha.
Im no where near THAT old, i was only born in the 90s…
Just dm me your full name and number we can try it out
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Your comment is so cryptic I’m just going to leave all of your links blue.
Sorry, non-native-speaker here. You asked if anyone can do something with certain details. I was trying to say you can never rule out the possibility based on resources. I have a lot of experience being on the receiving end of this, the links being there as a recently relevant relic of that notion.
Non-native speaker? interesting, now you’re using complete sentences, making a coherent statement, and speaking perfect English.
When you’re someone who wasn’t initially raised with English in mind, you can still speak it substantially, but that doesn’t mean it comes naturally in the way it does for most people. I simply tried again and seemed to speak pleasingly the second time, it doesn’t mean I’m revealing innate skills. I don’t suppose I’m the only individual in this particularly multicultural place we call Lemmy you’ve encountered whose family didn’t specialize in English, am I?
You talk like a robot.
How so?
“this particularly multicultural place you call Lemmy” is the standout bit of weird phrasing here. It’s almost unnecessarily verbose
