Apologies. This might not be the perfect community for the post.
British Isles is not the term the Irish use. Atlantic Archipelago or just the isles is proffered.
Atlantic Archipelago
this is totally the Bahamas. Or Palm Beach condos.
Well they’re just as much in the Atlantic as us so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The term British Isles is, of course, disputed by the Irish.
They had a signpost in the Atlantic saying “Irish Isles” for weeks before we noticed.
How about we collective reestablish the name “Albion”, then?
Treacherous Albion
I prefer Perfidious Albion
I’m an idiot
Huh, is that the old Jersey?
A quiet little tax haven full of polite stuffy old people. I’m thinking of visiting the new one, I assume it’s much the same?
Not at all.
Yup. Though original is probably the better description.
The OJ
The new jersey is extra crispy
They prefer the term “Jersey Classic”
Ye Olde Jersey
and the Original Guernsey (not to be confused with the new one)
No one outside of the UK includes Ireland in the British Isles.
I would… (Australian)
Speaking of! Shouldn’t Australia be in that chart too? And I’d like to see the “commonwealth” in the diagram too. It’s all good complicated!
I’m English and I don’t either. It’s a pretty obvious hangover of British imperial pretensions.
Yeh, I don’t think I would either. It does feel disrepectful
“British and Irish Isles” is the most common descriptor for the whole archipelago I see, and it seems a fair one even if it’s a bit long. It’d be nice if we could all agree on something catchier but that seems unlikely, all things considered
Gaelic Isles
This is a good way to distinguish the terms. I wonder if there is a good colour scheme to also indicate the nation states as district from the landmasses
Cool!
I wonder… how do/does Shetland islands?/ Archipelago? fit into this?
They’re just part of Scotland. Although the nearby Orkney Islands (also part of Scotland) have recently flirted with leaving the UK and becoming part of Norway.
Why Orkney and not Shetland (or does Shetland want to leave too)? I would’ve figured it’d be the one physically further away from Britain that would feel less affiliation.
Yeah, I know what you mean, it is a bit odd. I’m not sure why Orkney and not Shetland. Doubt it’ll ever happen tbh!
They were mainly floating the idea in a bid to get more funding allocated from the Scottish government
I think this chart is out of date
Image in link:
eg Croatia is now in the EU and Eurozone (maybe Schengen area too).
Interesting though as it shows what “hard Brexit” was. Not in the customs union, economic area or council; just yeeted all the way out.
The best part is the voting slip never defined any of it and, if taken literally, the UK would still be in the EEA.
We’re currently alone in two new zones called “Fucked around” and “Found out”.
Why does this feel like high school all over again
Because it is. You never graduated and you have a test right now that you didn’t study for. You’re also in your underwear.
Can someone do one for terminology? Is calling people British mainly socially acceptable? I imagine the exception is the Irish from Ireland, but those from northern Ireland may give that a pass?
Call someone from Scotland British and see how that works out for you….
I’m perfectly happy being called British
Just don’t refer to the UK as Engurlaaand
Going by the last polls it’s about an equal chance whether they’d approve or not
Seems to work very well in most cases.
What’s the bets ramble81 calls himself Scottish cos his great great great great great great great great great great great great granda once sniffed a Tunnock’s Teacake? 😂
I’m not going to take a pop at them because it is entirely possible that they live in Scotland, are passionate about Scottish independence and has similarly committed friends and family. Likewise, I’m only speaking from personal experience as someone who is English, but has discussed stuff with Scottish friends on occassion.
I’d think calling Scot a Brit is like calling Peruvian an American. Technically true but kinda rude
Depends on their own views on the union. Don’t go lumping people together as all having the same opinion now!
northern Ireland may give that a pass?
Never push a national identity onto someone from Northern Ireland. Because that’s also a political Identity
In general British is a national identity. English/Scottish/Welsh would be a cultural identity.
You would call them what they say they are.
Apparently, Scots and Irish believe British == English. Or, they can’t stand the thought of being labeled in any similar category as the English.
At least for Scots, this is not a general case. Some consider themselves not to be British because they don’t want Scotland to be part of the UK, others will take exception to the conflation of “British” with “English” because that implies that Scotland is just considered part of England. You don’t even have to have strong feelings either way about either England or the UK for that one.
At least for now, the word “British” is associated more with the political entity of the UK than the geographical entity of the island of Great Britain. That most of Scotland is on the island of Great Britain will not persuade anyone in the first camp.
Do people that live in this diagram consider “Britain” synonymous with “Great Britain”?
More likely to consider it synonymous with the UK in most contexts.
The Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland should pull an epic gamer move and simplify this chart.
That might cause some Troubles.
That would leave England quite IRAte
The state Irland shouldn’t be republic of Irland ?
No, the state is called Ireland as defined in its constitution.
Thanks for the information.
This chart: “England, Scotland and Wales are in Great Britain”
Wight, the Scillies, Anglesey, Sheppy, Anglesey, the Shetlands, the Orkneys, the Hebrides, and thousands more: “Are we a joke to you?”
None of those are in Great Britain, because they are islands and therefore not part of the island of Great Britain.
I think Sheppey is a joke to everyone including the people that have to live there.
I’m trying to remember though, aren’t the Jersey, Guernsey, and Man somehow closer to Scotland or Wales status than say Sheppey or the Orkneys?
Yeah, the channel islands and the Isle of Man have more autonomy. Officially they are “self-governing British Crown Dependencies”.
Jersey and Guernsey have different VAT rates for instance. For years, play.com was based in Jersey solely so they wouldn’t have to pay VAT on most of the cheaper stuff they sold to the mainland.
Aren’t those all part of one of the other three? The orkneys and Hebrides are part of Scotland.
That’s my point: they’re all part of England/Scotland/Wales, but they aren’t part of Great Britain.
I think if you are a part of those three then you are automatically part of GB
FYI “British Islands” isn’t a specific name whereas all the others are
I’m not sure I follow. It looks as specific in the diagram as all the other names?
It’s not an actual term that is used though. “Great Britain” and “Ireland” are the names of the islands, “the United Kingdom” and “(the Republic of) Ireland” are the names of the sovereign states, “the British Isles” is (one) name for all the bits of land. “British Islands” is not an official term or one that anyone uses.
So I’m late to the party here, but this is a very early version of a diagram I’m putting together that corrects a couple of issues with the diagram OP posted.
As I said: very early and also very incomplete, but what’s there is accurate.
I’m into it! I can’t wait to see where this goes.
OK, looking at this I can now understand why it may not all make immediate sense to someone who didn’t grow up here.
And in the US, there’s definitely a subset that believes England means Great Britain or even the United Kingdom.
Same folks that referred to the entire USSR as Russia, probs.
There are plenty of people in the US that refer to England as “London”.
& vers vicea
And there are plenty of people in russia who think everything that was ever USSR should be russia.
It’s basically the same argument Argentina has about the Falkland Islands. When Argentina was part of the Spanish empire the Falkland Islands were part of the empire, not that the Spanish did anything with the islands. But at no time in history has Argentina existed as an independent country and has had ownership of the islands.
Using any country’s capital as shorthand for its current government is a common form of metonymy to be fair!
That’s one of my favorite nyms
