I’m kind of okay with this. It was a reasonable take – not a hot take or an incendiary comment or something. Mods using their power to shut down discussion – expected on that instance I guess ;)
This is my first time getting any sort of ban on any lemmy instance. Now I just need to get banned on a right-wing server for some other centrist take, to keep balance in the universe ;)
How many of you have experienced this on lemmy.ml?
I once got banned for “BlueAnon nonsense”, and I still have no clue what that means.
I got curious and looked it up.
“Blue Anon” is a term coined by conservatives attacking those who push “left-wing conspiracy theories.”
The phrase is a play on the name of the radical conspiracy theory QAnon
So nonsense lmao
Oh, boy… when the mods over there are calling me the same names that Marjorie Taylor Green uses, I know I’m on the right side, lol
The good news is neither do they.
Good point. Turkey has been a bad-faith member of NATO for years now.
Yes, I remember seeing this comment. The bias there is really obvious to anyone following the discussion.
You got your wish on a right wing instance ban, it’s clear from the Russia+China fandom. They just pretend to be communists
I just commented on how Ibis just seems like its destined to be misinformation hub, so maybe I’ll be joining you soon. I got banned 2 months ago for this comment against Hamas (Of course, without ever getting a notification) :
What does a terrorist group sacrificing Palestinians for the palaces of their leadership who assault and kill people in an international music festival dedicated to peace have to do with a famous politician and anti-apartheid activist who did his best to do things the right way? Stop gaslighting with terrorist apologism.
The instance is deep into the disinformation game, to the surprise of no one. They saw Reddit doing this and said “Hey, we need to be doing this, too!” I’m now fairly convinced this is the reason they are investing in developing lemmy (and now Ibis). They win, they get to be one of the top instances and the control that means for their communities. They lose, lemmy is still going to be vulnerable from the code base, ghost instances, and hydra-tic participants.
Looks like someone might have been a bit trigger happy. 😅 Perhaps “dealing with them” got them into a twist. Given how we’ve “dealt with” some leaders we didn’t like in that past.
Isn’t lemmy.ml full of guillotine memes?
Sorry to hear that mate. Same here, made a post about it too. I think it’s a few users with an agenda, combined with an automod that carries out the actual ban, and mods who don’t review. Discuss. Block (optional). Move on.
Also: as the thread gets active, tankie users may try to hijack your post with comments blaming you for your ban, calling you names/ libtard/ govt bootlicker etc. Ignore these idiots. They come out hot and expect your reaction. Don’t drop to their level. Be better.
Democracy is incompatible with state formations. States dominate the masses of people into submission. States are not liberatory
You use these words, but you don’t know what they mean…
Don’t bother trying to reason with fascists, they’re not in it because they’re wrong, they in it because they like the wrong.
Congrats! I’ve been banned for a while. I don’t think there’s any right wing instances after exploding heads left.
turkey and Hungary are from “eastern world”?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_democracy
Western world, western democracy, is largely a term referencing a style of government, not physical location.
“contrasted with illiberal democracies and with dictatorships”
so…they consider japan as western world?
Yes. And Australia. And often South Korea, although one can debate their inclusion in this group.
lmao
I mean, it’s right in the wikipedia article. Wikipedia didn’t make it up. This is largely the consensus use for this term in political circles.
Other potential candidates for inclusion might be Indonesia or Mongolia, but they are not usually included for economic reasons.
It would be nice if other large instances like .world had the cojones to defederate .ml because they’re getting tankier by the day. They’re almost as bad as lemmygrad. Just because it’s a large instance run by the Lemmy devs doesn’t mean they should get special treatment. If they’re going to allow (read: encourage) crap like this, they should be cut off to prevent it from spreading.
There is a realistic scenario where Mali starts reclaiming domains who are using their TLD to mean Marxist-Leninist.
Is that why they use .ml? I had read somewhere that it was just an especially cheap domain to use or something?
Mali had a ten year period where they were allowing free registration. That doesn’t exist anymore.
They also keep getting classified documents due to typos in army.mil email addresses and similar ;)
I’m pretty sure they’re paying for theirs though. The free ones were taken away recently.
“They also keep getting classified documents due to typos in army.mil email addresses and similar ;)”
Government of Mali: “We should be taking advantage of this more than we are…”
That and machine-learning for some other websites.
There’s nothing I would love more than shitty neo-nazi instances defederating and never coming back, just don’t come crying back once you all end up recreating the exact same monster that reddit ended up becoming. I got banned from .world (which works like an individualized defederation) and it’s already made my lemmy experience 10,000,000,000x better not having to deal with the constant fascists from there leaving harassing messages and mass downvoting everything I post.
There are sometimes insightful perspectives there that could lack in other instances. I much prefer to have access to .ml and .world news in my feed as well as .ml users in .world threads. Given the 50 years of neoliberal, anti-worker programming we’ve been showered with in the West, I appreciate points of view that challenge mine. I might not agree with the CPC schmoozing, but there’s also useful opinions on workers’ rights, democratic socialism, looking at problems from class perspective, etc.
Defederation should be the first solution to problems with other instances. If they want to be overzealous and heavy handed with moderation on their site then they will lose users who want more fair and effective moderation. But if you defedate with them, then their users just get stuck on these echo chamber communities.
Defederation should be a last resort to deal with poor moderation of abusive content, not moderation that we don’t agree with.
Ironic, then, that you picked an instance that picks Defederation as it’s first approach to problem solving.
Not that you can see this, as I’m posting from one of the instances harmed by reckless defederation.
I was never once contacted or given any chance to address whatever issue they had.
I believe you accidentally said should instead of shouldn’t in the first sentence
Thanks for the correction, really changes my whole point. I’m glad you caught it
When an instance’s admins actively support hostile regimes and condone mods censoring posts about human rights abuses and genocide while spreading propaganda, it’s not a simple disagreement.
.ml has no problem with people defending Russia’s invasion and genocide in Ukraine, or denying China’s genocide of Uighur Muslims. But they’ll delete posts calling out Turkey and Hungary for acting in bad faith as NATO and EU members.
They’re not just allowing but encouraging disinformation to propagate across the fediverse in order to win more support for their dictator daddies. Instance admins have the same responsibility to prevent dangerous disinformation campaigns from spreading as any other social network. They can either opt to do so on their own, or they can wait for regulations to force them to like Facebook and Xhitter.
I agree with your assessment on their political views. I also don’t mod any communities on Lemmy or run my own instance so I don’t have to worry about trying to deal with moderating the harmful political views of admin and mods with their other users’ contributions to the network. I am just stating my opinion of not throwing the baby out with the bath water by going with the nuclear option that is defederation.
Listen some of us made accounts on .ml when we had no idea what we were doing making a lemmy account, mkay
Seconded. I joined .ml because they were the first to have a formula 1 community.
I prefer to follow the news on other instances like beehaw and .world to avoid your experience.
There are normal/non-radical communities that exist that would be lost via defederation.
Lemmygrad and .ml are run by the same people. The latter is the “public” face I suppose
Nah the devs have officially made a statement they have no relation with .grad
no officer, I didn’t shoot that guy! I am just holding a gun and they have a bullet hole in their head
Wdym ?
I had no idea but in retrospect I should have known.
I could understand bragging about being banned from lemmygrad.ml …
I don’t think my instrance is even federated with them, so it is harder to get banned there ;)
Corporate wants to to spot the difference,
Its the same picture…Lemmy.ml is just lemmygrad light.
Let the fascists have their fun pretending like they’re being oppressed.
Congrats. I don’t have any experience because I have been avoiding and blocking lemmy.ml.
Western chauvinism is when you criticize right-wing strongmen, and the more you criticize the right-wing, the more chauvinist it is.
I’m not saying it makes sense…
Well, then you’ll get bann- oh.
Don’t show a tankie reason and logic, they meltdown and get very hostile. Weak sorts of folks.
Name calling. Don’t forget the name calling. Agree on weak, add insecure.
I learned recently firsthand .ml does not take kindly to the word tankie lol
FAFO bruh
Nope, they ban you for it.
They didn’t ban me just deleted my respective comments.Edit: i was banned from [email protected] for opinion that the Chinese gov controlled media was propaganda.
