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            They’re welcome to try to take it.

            Are they, though? I suspect you don’t really mean “welcome” honestly here, but in the passive aggressive sense of a tough guy ready to defend his property despite saying that they rightfully belong to someone else… talk about cognitive dissonance.

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            Ah yes, might makes right. Thank you for abandoning a pretence of the moral highground.

            It’s true. We’ll see how that goes over the next few decades for you.

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        What a profoundly stupid thing to say.

        Kindly, a Greek who isn’t making ridiculous claims on Marseille, Taranto, Constantinople, Caesarea, Cyrene, Antioch and Alexandria on the motherfucking Indus.

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        This is so ridiculous . There was people before Israelites and after them in the land why do you think the jews has the eternal right over all other who lived in the land . You can’t even proof that the Zionists who are foreigners had any connection to the old Israelites. While we know from history that during the Arab conquest of the area there was no major ethnic cleansing so basically part of the Palestinians was jews and Christian converted to Islam and other are the product of intermarriage . 50k of the ethnically cleansing Palestinians in 48 was Christians so stop with your bad intention of making it about Muslims vs jews

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      That is another part of the very, very complicated issue in the area yes. That does not negate the fact that change is required for lasting peace, and it needs to happen on all sides of the issue.

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        You really believe that Palestinians will keep attacking Israel if they give back the whole part of the west bank and gaza? Israel should get the hell out of Palestinians land regardless

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          Yes. I believe peace can prevail if the rest of the world stops fucking around.

          Which is why Palestinians need to accept that Israel has a right to exist within the 1967 borders. Israel also needs to accept the fact that Palestine has a right to exist within the borders determined in 1967.

          Not all the land is Palestinian land, and that is a matter of fact. Israelis, especially those indigenous to the area, have a right to exist there. Just like Palestinians have a right to exist there.

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            Most of the Palestinians accept Israel existence and agree with the pre 67 border it is Israel who refuse to accept it and keep building illegal settlements making a two state solution hard to accomplish , every single Israeli prime minister has oppressed Palestinians and believe the land was their either for religious or ethnic supremacy reasons.

            Nothing but giving back all post 67 land to Palestinians , giving the right to return to Palestinians who was ethnically cleansing and want to go back to Israel while accepting their laws and also having an army to defend the state for any other potential aggression or a one state solution with equal rights to everybody would be accepted

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              Nothing but giving back all post 67 land to Palestinians , giving the right to return to Palestinians who was ethnically cleansing and want to go back to Israel while accepting their laws and also having an army to defend the state for any other potential aggression or a one state solution with equal rights to everybody would be accepted

              You need to learn to recognize someone who agrees with you before arguing with them in the future. We know what needs to happen on the Israeli side for peace, my point is there is another side that has problems that need solving as well and that Palestinians are responsible for their side.

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                We do not agree. You make look like both side don’t want peace. I think it is israel who don’t want it because they still believe in jewish supermacy

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                  I absolutely agree, Israel is very much doing incredibly unjust, disgusting, and unimaginable things right now but that doesn’t change the situation on the other side or what they have done.

                  Why hasn’t Hama’s surrendered and returned the remaining hostages and bodies if peace is their goal?

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                    Hamas hasn’t surrendered and didn’t return the hostages because Israel will continue the genocide and occupation, Satanyaho admitted it . Hamas say they will drop arms when Gaza and west bank and east Jerusalem are no longer occupied.

                    How about liberating Palestinians then bring both sides war criminals to justice?

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                    Israel murdered 57k (2.7%) Palestinians in a population of 2.1m and decimated their homes with missiles all over the country.