America is sliding into fascism. Where is the armed rebellion stopping it? For fucks sake. It was the gun nuts who voted these arseholes in - they are more likely to join in with the fascists.
Bruh, if you think ‘defend ourselves from fascism’ is going to be done with legally owned firearms, you’re out of your gourd. Intelligence services can track a fucking t-shirt sale anymore. Even if the scawwy libs didn’t do anything regarding gun control, the moment a firearm is used, the only question is how much time and effort the state is willing to put in to track down the user - and in this case of fascists and rebellion, that’s generally quite a bit.
Seek other weapons. Check out 3d printing and home machining. Subvert security forces. But “My AR-15 will serve the Revolution!” thinking is inane.
The fear of surveillance is as powerful a weapon against you as surveillance itself. You can’t let it paralyze you into inaction. If you are taking steps to resist with arms, you will have to come to terms with the fact that sooner or later you will be identified and become a fugitive. There is a massive gap in law enforcement effort between being identified and being captured/eliminated.
Right now you can buy quality, self-loading firearms with a driver’s license (in most states). You can have thousands of rounds of ammunition shipped to your doorstep (in most states). Neither is going to flag you as a terrorist and have you instantly arrested, because many thousands of Americans do this every single day. You’d be a fool to not take advantage of this.
I mean the general problem is what I’d note as what syndrome’s plan was in the incredibles.
IE syndrome’s plan was basically to create superpowers, making everyone a superhero so that no one is special or above everything…
with the noted exception that the strongest superpowers are reserved for himself.
Biggest thing IMO with the gun rights people is… noting that even if we all have AR-15s or whatever the hell we are supposed to use to stop facism. Millitary tech is getting scarrier. We’re probably a year or 2 away from armed boston dynamic style robots, or more focused AI based drones etc…
Our only shot is guys controlling the governments arsenal taking our side… which is kind of the exact scenerio we are in with or without guns.
Realistically, in any overt civil war against a despotic US government, the rebels lack of serious military equipment would be a very short term problem. Look at the Syrian Civil War. Do you think in any future US civil war, outside powers wouldn’t be involved? If there was a serious armed insurgency against a despotic US regime, do you think there would be any shortage of outside powers smuggling in heavy weaponry to aid the resistance? The US does not exist in a vacuum; foreign powers would be involved. Some would do so because they actually support the rebels. Some would do so simply because they see the civil war as a way to weaken US power. You could have the odd situation where both Europe and China were sending weapons to the rebels.
Now the government will always have the brute force advantage; you’re not going to smuggle 5th generation jet fighters or main battle tanks across the border. But combat drones, surface to air missiles, RPGs, and any other sort of man-portable military-grade weaponry? The US would be awash in those things pretty quickly. As we’ve seen in Ukraine and Syria, those can have quite an impact. Oh, and this is before you consider the possibility of rebels using civilian-grade weaponry to raid military installations and seize military-grade weaponry. And there would be no shortage of veterans and defected US military members who know how to use those heavier weapons with great effectiveness.
And while the government has the real firepower like artillery and nukes, those are a lot less useful in a civil war than in a conflict against a foreign nation. The US government can flatten a foreign city without harming itself. But every time it uses heavy weaponry against US cities, it undermines its own legitimacy, breeds more rebels, and degrades its own economic capacity.
Rebels are not going to topple the government with AR-15s. But rebels can use those to obtain much more powerful weapons, both seized from US stockpiles and obtained from foreign governments.
We’re probably a year or 2 away from armed boston dynamic style robots, or more focused AI based drones etc…
You mean autonomous drones that don’t need a human to pull the trigger? Because we already have drones with weapons, they just need pilots.
My point is more or less the already partially existing human controlled drones, though also noting the possibility of say the next wave where they don’t go past just getting a target and committing assassinations.
Point is the idea of specific targetted (IE concepts of weapons that could be as precise, as undamaging towards infrastructure as foot soldiers with guns, but without requiring humans that are at least vulnerable to conventional weaponry.
Actually Anakin would like to have word about his thesis.
Violent revolutionaries and their tools are only important during The Revolution. After that they are a liability and source of instability for the new regime, and often they are disposed of because of this. Any revolutionary leader who says you get to keep your guns into perpetuity is either naive, or lying to you.
A less radical way to put it: Allowing a legal mechanism for people to wage an armed insurrection against their state isn’t freedom, it’s insanity.
As long as the disarmament isn’t forced and the conditions that led to the revolution are actually addressed.
People shouldn’t be barred from firearms because the guns are a threat to the state, only in the case of someone being a threat to others should they be restricted from firearms (even using one at a range under supervision).
