Contributions of many women scientists are being wiped from NASA’s website and records due to the “purge of DEI” going on right now. I’m sure that there are women losing their jobs at NASA right now while it is being dismantled in favor of private companies.
It was an egregious expenditure of wealth that enriches a company belonging to Jeff fucking Bezos.
This launch was nothing groundbreaking. It didn’t push any scientific or “hardware” boundaries or make any discoveries. No experiments were done. Not even launching a sattelite, sending resources to/from ISS or anything useful to humanity. It was purely done for the PR bit, nothing more.
To me, this all reads like the abysmally tone deaf celebrities singing on youtube and complaining about how hard it was for them during the start of covid lockdowns. Except now for space flight.
Actual hate may be an extreme reaction, but exhaustion (a feeling of “so what”) and disgust I think is fair. And that’s more than enough reason to enjoy a stupid joke like this, despite the fact that they did go through some months of training for this (making them astronauts).
Incredibly little of my feelings about this has anything to do with Katy Perry.
hating her music because it was unchallenging and consumable (there’s other artists i’d hate for this long before her)
hating her for standing up for rebecca black (this wave is pure misogyny)
hating her because she broke up with russel brand (russel brand sucks, she should have never dated his garbage ass. i probably should have listed an item for she dated russel brand in the first place, but that wave is miniscule and insignificant)
hating her because she cut her hair and she aged and that wasn’t sexy for some people (this is as far as i can tell the largest and most misogynistic wave)
hating her for going back to doctor luke to try to recapture the popularity she had earlier in her career when he was her producer (this is the tempo i’m on. dr luke is ke$ha’s abuser and as far as i can tell is a serial predator)
hating her because she’s acting as propaganda for one of the technoligarchs in our fascist regime (rather fair, i’d say, tbh)
I didn’t know she went back to Dr Luke. Well I hate her now too. If you are willing to work with a known piece of shit like that just for a buck, them you are garbage as well.
I don’t HATE her but I’m about as sick of seeing her as Jimmy Fallon. She’s boring yet always in the spotlight.
I went from completely neutral to mild dislike at your second to last point. Not only is he a rapist, the album sucks. She’s out of touch in a genre that caters to the youth.
FWIW I have a remix of Cali Girls on my morning playlist. Also FWIW, 3/4 of my favorite artists are women
the thing i mostly wanted to capture is basically that there are valid reasons to want nothing to do with Katy Perry in the year 2025, but the largest bloc of anti-perry stans are in it for the wrong reasons, and there are other people we should be doing more more to strip of power. it’s basically… the only people we’re good at stripping of power as a society are minorities and women. i’m not saying we shouldn’t be stripping katy perry of power, but it does contrast with how many times john mayer and justin timberlake have done something shitty and been alowed to hang around. the mysoginy in this instance is less the hate, and more the hate in contrast with others
You’re not wrong but I do think there’s more nuance to it than that as other female celebrities don’t get nearly the hate she does.
Katy Perry represents the music industry. She is THE corporate artist, bland and inoffensive. She’s a good singer but not a unique or amazing one. She’s not all that popular anymore yet she’s constantly in the news (TBF, I probably follow music news closer than most).
Collaborating with with Dr. Luke on her new album made it clear that she’s just hollow. Whatever it takes to stay in the spotlight. It’s like getting Chris Brown to do a feature on your single.
I’m not sure John Mayer is a great example here as it’s been a long time since he even ran in the top 40 circle.
i listed john mayer because he’s up to even worse shit masquerading as an artist’s artist in the blues scene. but on the whole, yes. hating katy perry more than any other female artist is totally fair. but to hate her more than any other artist at all? i find that a little suspicious. and again. i’m in the swaths of katy perry haters. i hate her because she props up a mysoginistic system. but even i look around at the horde and go “guys, really? all this? for her?”
I don’t hate her but she had always been musically boring and generally uninteresting as a person. Pure basic but elevated by the hype machine. This is just another example of it.
Sp you fell for it then? Capitalists doing capitalist things (marketing) and just because they all identified as women you can’t be critical of the obvious nonsense at play here? Grow up.
They did not reach space.
They did not pilot.
They went on a rollercoaster ride.
Remember how there have been actual all women-identifying NASA crews? That’s REAL progress in equality. Or were you not born yet?
The truth is, the definition has to be arbitrary. There’s no distinct point at which there suddenly goes from being atmosphere and therefore Earth to being no atmosphere and therefore space. The Kármán line is chosen because it is a nice round number roughly where aerodynamics stop being useful in planning spaceflight missions.
Exactly. Jeff Bezos financially supported and cosied up to the Trump administration, which has been erasing the names of accomplished women (and other minority groups) in their crusade against DEI. Katy Perry and the 5 others willingly participated in this publicity/propaganda stunt for Jeff Bezos.
They are collaborators of the Trump regime, which is very much anti-women.
It effectively refutes the “They did not reach space” comment, and also indicates how no one made fun of Alan Shepherd for “not having piloted” or “went on a rollercoaster ride”.
Nah, it’s just misogyny. Compare with the reactions to when Shatner went to space (no one claiming it wasn’t space then) and also had a huge emotional reaction coming back to earth.
If you have 41 minutes to spare, this rant from a theoretical physicist does a good job explaining why people react negatively to the publicity surrounding the space tourism launch.
A lot of it boils down to the fact that women have been instrumental in traditional space programs all along. Publicizing passengers on a tourism flight as if they are pushing boundaries is insulting to all the professionals who dedicated their careers to actually expanding boundaries. They aren’t even the first all women crew as claimed. Valentina Vladimirovna Tereshkova flew a solo mission on Vostok 6 in 1963
The media messaging on the flight has been terrible and regressive. Complaining about that isn’t misogynistic.
People focus on Katy Perry as representative of the whole stunt, because she has been portrayed as the main figure all along.
Pop star Katy Perry and five other women safely returned to Earth after reaching space aboard Jeff Bezos’s Blue Origin rocket. - BBC article immediately after the flight
They literally pulled a Katy Perry et al. Do you think that framing just happened without any input from KP and her publicists? Did Katy Perry use her ample airtime to credit all the female engineers that actually worked for years made the flight happen, or to correct notions about the flight not actually accomplishing any significant firsts? Katy Perry gladly took the center of the media spotlight, so naturally people use her image as emblematic when ridiculing the stunt. She is a vapid celebrity doing annoying celebrity messaging like “making space and science glam.”
“This is all for the benefit of Earth,” she added.
Katy Perry is an eager participant in the outrageous messaging around the flight. She earned the ridicule, not by being a woman, but by acting ridiculously.
No, it’s the same argument as “plenty of black people (or whatever minority group is relevant) are mad at insert thing, so the hate isn’t as a rule racist”, which… also checks out.
I’m sure there is plenty of misogyny, but she’s also just a trash person in general. There is the Perry act that’s getting put through because she was buying houses out from the elderly and then evicting them.
afaik all the KP hate over this is misogyny in action.
Contributions of many women scientists are being wiped from NASA’s website and records due to the “purge of DEI” going on right now. I’m sure that there are women losing their jobs at NASA right now while it is being dismantled in favor of private companies.
It was an egregious expenditure of wealth that enriches a company belonging to Jeff fucking Bezos.
This launch was nothing groundbreaking. It didn’t push any scientific or “hardware” boundaries or make any discoveries. No experiments were done. Not even launching a sattelite, sending resources to/from ISS or anything useful to humanity. It was purely done for the PR bit, nothing more.
To me, this all reads like the abysmally tone deaf celebrities singing on youtube and complaining about how hard it was for them during the start of covid lockdowns. Except now for space flight.
Actual hate may be an extreme reaction, but exhaustion (a feeling of “so what”) and disgust I think is fair. And that’s more than enough reason to enjoy a stupid joke like this, despite the fact that they did go through some months of training for this (making them astronauts).
Incredibly little of my feelings about this has anything to do with Katy Perry.
katy perry hate has come in waves:
I didn’t know she went back to Dr Luke. Well I hate her now too. If you are willing to work with a known piece of shit like that just for a buck, them you are garbage as well.
it’s pretty unforgivable if you ask me
I don’t HATE her but I’m about as sick of seeing her as Jimmy Fallon. She’s boring yet always in the spotlight.
I went from completely neutral to mild dislike at your second to last point. Not only is he a rapist, the album sucks. She’s out of touch in a genre that caters to the youth.
FWIW I have a remix of Cali Girls on my morning playlist. Also FWIW, 3/4 of my favorite artists are women
the thing i mostly wanted to capture is basically that there are valid reasons to want nothing to do with Katy Perry in the year 2025, but the largest bloc of anti-perry stans are in it for the wrong reasons, and there are other people we should be doing more more to strip of power. it’s basically… the only people we’re good at stripping of power as a society are minorities and women. i’m not saying we shouldn’t be stripping katy perry of power, but it does contrast with how many times john mayer and justin timberlake have done something shitty and been alowed to hang around. the mysoginy in this instance is less the hate, and more the hate in contrast with others
You’re not wrong but I do think there’s more nuance to it than that as other female celebrities don’t get nearly the hate she does.
Katy Perry represents the music industry. She is THE corporate artist, bland and inoffensive. She’s a good singer but not a unique or amazing one. She’s not all that popular anymore yet she’s constantly in the news (TBF, I probably follow music news closer than most).
Collaborating with with Dr. Luke on her new album made it clear that she’s just hollow. Whatever it takes to stay in the spotlight. It’s like getting Chris Brown to do a feature on your single.
I’m not sure John Mayer is a great example here as it’s been a long time since he even ran in the top 40 circle.
i listed john mayer because he’s up to even worse shit masquerading as an artist’s artist in the blues scene. but on the whole, yes. hating katy perry more than any other female artist is totally fair. but to hate her more than any other artist at all? i find that a little suspicious. and again. i’m in the swaths of katy perry haters. i hate her because she props up a mysoginistic system. but even i look around at the horde and go “guys, really? all this? for her?”
I don’t hate her but she had always been musically boring and generally uninteresting as a person. Pure basic but elevated by the hype machine. This is just another example of it.
Sp you fell for it then? Capitalists doing capitalist things (marketing) and just because they all identified as women you can’t be critical of the obvious nonsense at play here? Grow up.
They did not reach space.
They did not pilot.
They went on a rollercoaster ride.
Remember how there have been actual all women-identifying NASA crews? That’s REAL progress in equality. Or were you not born yet?
They did reach space, as defined by a relatively arbitrary international agreement.
But yeah, passengers are not astronauts any more than I’m a pilot for buying a ticket on Air Asia to KLIA2.
Fair point! :)
The truth is, the definition has to be arbitrary. There’s no distinct point at which there suddenly goes from being atmosphere and therefore Earth to being no atmosphere and therefore space. The Kármán line is chosen because it is a nice round number roughly where aerodynamics stop being useful in planning spaceflight missions.
Exactly. Jeff Bezos financially supported and cosied up to the Trump administration, which has been erasing the names of accomplished women (and other minority groups) in their crusade against DEI. Katy Perry and the 5 others willingly participated in this publicity/propaganda stunt for Jeff Bezos.
They are collaborators of the Trump regime, which is very much anti-women.
To play some devil’s avocado here, not every astronaut is a pilot. Some are just like, geologists.
The simplest difference I can think of is that astronauts go to space on a mission and actually work and do a job.
Yeah. That’s the whole point. Fair enough. The people on this commercial flight were there as a marketing tool not as a science tool.
At some point “astronaut” has to mean “did science in space” and not “bought a sightseeing ticket so a corporation could profit.”
I’m not a carnie because I spent 5 ride tickets on the coaster. Even if I buckled my own seatbelt.
hugs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mercury#Astronauts
What does that link show? Women have been in space since 1963.
It effectively refutes the “They did not reach space” comment, and also indicates how no one made fun of Alan Shepherd for “not having piloted” or “went on a rollercoaster ride”.
Did you read it?
Of course. The point is that this flight was nothing new or special. Especially with the makeup of the cohort of folks on it.
Stop pretending it’s anything more than what it is: marketing.
I think you completely misunderstand my original post. The trip is a non-story. The KP hate is still misogynistic.
Hate of her (and king, etc) comes from her pushing this idea that she is special. That’s. The. Point.
They are 100000% not special. Just rich.
Nah, it’s just misogyny. Compare with the reactions to when Shatner went to space (no one claiming it wasn’t space then) and also had a huge emotional reaction coming back to earth.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/oct/13/william-shatner-jeff-bezos-rocket-blue-origin
If you have 41 minutes to spare, this rant from a theoretical physicist does a good job explaining why people react negatively to the publicity surrounding the space tourism launch.
https://youtu.be/0WtyGK7TdCs
A lot of it boils down to the fact that women have been instrumental in traditional space programs all along. Publicizing passengers on a tourism flight as if they are pushing boundaries is insulting to all the professionals who dedicated their careers to actually expanding boundaries. They aren’t even the first all women crew as claimed. Valentina Vladimirovna Tereshkova flew a solo mission on Vostok 6 in 1963
The media messaging on the flight has been terrible and regressive. Complaining about that isn’t misogynistic.
Agree. It’s the complaining on Katy Perry I referenced. By all means criticize all of it with actual arguments.
People focus on Katy Perry as representative of the whole stunt, because she has been portrayed as the main figure all along.
They literally pulled a Katy Perry et al. Do you think that framing just happened without any input from KP and her publicists? Did Katy Perry use her ample airtime to credit all the female engineers that actually worked for years made the flight happen, or to correct notions about the flight not actually accomplishing any significant firsts? Katy Perry gladly took the center of the media spotlight, so naturally people use her image as emblematic when ridiculing the stunt. She is a vapid celebrity doing annoying celebrity messaging like “making space and science glam.”
Katy Perry is an eager participant in the outrageous messaging around the flight. She earned the ridicule, not by being a woman, but by acting ridiculously.
Please don’t try to paint this as misogyny. Plenty of women are annoyed by this show of filth too
That’s the same argument as “I can’t be racist, I have a black friend”.
No, it’s the same argument as “plenty of black people (or whatever minority group is relevant) are mad at insert thing, so the hate isn’t as a rule racist”, which… also checks out.
You’re on fire
I’m sure there is plenty of misogyny, but she’s also just a trash person in general. There is the Perry act that’s getting put through because she was buying houses out from the elderly and then evicting them.
There’s no Aisha Bowe hate for a reason. She’s a rocket scientist for NASA. We ridiculed Bezos and his bros just as much.
oh, that’s a bummer.
sure seems plausible.
the other comments here are nnnot great.