Yes, I was trying to differentiate the kinds of anti-trans people, the clergy from the flock so to speak. The politicians like Mike Pence and activists like Matt Walsh are more likely to be strategic and knowledgeable about the issues.

The lay people who are influenced by those activist leaders are more likely to be ignorant and have different perspectives.

Whether leaders or lay people, I don’t take them seriously when they say they are trying to “protect vulnerable women” any more than I think conservatives actually care about small government or states rights, everything is just rationalization and rhetoric to justify a less pleasant and less defensible position (like taking food stamps away from the poor, or eradicating trans people).