When I look at other communist nations, they were invaded, couped, and/or sabotaged at every opportunity, and (forgive me, my history of China is weak) while I’m sure that China faced obstacles from capitalists outside of the country, it somehow rose up to be the power that it is today while the USSR fell, Vietnam and Korea got bombed to hell and back, Cuba was put under crippling sanctions, and surely countless other uprisings got squashed young.

But china didn’t just survive, they thrived. How?

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    Unironically Nixon Goes To China. This was part of a larger normalization of US-Communist relations throughout the world.

    Also, throughout the 90s and 00s there was a persistent belief that China was “liberalizing” and they would one day become a Capitalist Democracy like the rest of us. There are shades of End Of History that influenced this thinking, and it wasn’t broken until the mid 10s. Here’s The Economist admitting as much in 2018, and probably the only admission of being wrong by the publication.

    Not since Mao Zedong has a Chinese leader wielded so much power so openly. This is not just a big change for China (see article), but also strong evidence that the West’s 25-year bet on China has failed.

    After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the West welcomed the next big communist country into the global economic order. Western leaders believed that giving China a stake in institutions such as the World Trade Organisation (WTO) would bind it into the rules-based system set up after the second world war (see Briefing). They hoped that economic integration would encourage China to evolve into a market economy and that, as they grew wealthier, its people would come to yearn for democratic freedoms, rights and the rule of law.

    It was a worthy vision, which this newspaper shared, and better than shutting China out. China has grown rich beyond anybody’s imagining. Under the leadership of Hu Jintao, you could still picture the bet paying off. When Mr Xi took power five years ago China was rife with speculation that he would move towards constitutional rule. Today the illusion has been shattered. In reality, Mr Xi has steered politics and economics towards repression, state control and confrontation.

    EDIT: I forgot to mention it, but several other significant events precipitated the current China.

    1. Vietnam and the loss for the US was the nail in the coffin for hard military power against communism in the Western mind.
    2. the Sino-Soviet split, where the US thought to drive a wedge in international socialism by partnering with China through soft power. This was part of the broader diplomatic normalization between the West and Communism I mention above, where hard military power gave way to soft diplomatic/economic power and influence in the western thought.
    3. deng-smile-thought implementing market reforms that the west mistook as moving towards Capitalism.
    4. The fall of the Soviet Union, that itself birthed the End of History thinking, came with it the beginnings of the thought that China would follow the same path.

    All of these factors led to the western ‘certainty’ of China going down the path of Capitalist Democracy.

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      Years of Cold War propaganda convinced western libs that markets are the antithesis of socialism. So the emergence of markets in China was mistakenly interpreted as meaning the end of socialism in China.

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          The liberalization of the Russian economy was shock liberalism to the extreme. Zero transition, some “ownership vouchers” the people got as a perfunctory nod to the state capital being public, but that quickly descended into a speculative market, which given the lack of guard rails meant an oligarchy formed. So the sudden fallout of social services plus a non-competitive market meant millions of pre-mature deaths, brain drain, corruption.

          China, on the other hand, engaged in a system of requiring the factories of making X number of widgets per month or quarter for the state, but then allowed them to sell anything production past that on the market. This allowed for the introduction of markets in a controlled, gradual way, maintained government ownership to an extent (this is why so many Chinese corporations are owned in no small part by the state, a lot of them were spin offs the state kept an interest in), while avoiding the productivity downtime issue that Marxist-Leninist economies can sometimes run into. This is also why, while China has a capitalist class, it’s on a much tighter leash than in social democratic economies.

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          China didn’t permit key foundational elements of its state and economy to liberalize. Energy, minerals, steel, cement, and other such basics are cornered by state enterprises, and banking is on a very short leash. Meanwhile Gorby gave everything away, and had no leverage over the black marketeers who couped the USSR and become the oligarchs of the Russian Federation and other former Soviet countries

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      I remember when that article came out, my turbo-lib friend who read The Economist religiously nearly forced me to read it. They got pretty smug about China for a while, but I bet they’re melting down now after this tariff fiasco