Psylo, which bills itself as a new kind of private web browser, debuted last Tuesday in Apple’s App Store, one day ahead of a report warning about the widespread use of browser fingerprinting for ad tracking and targeting.
It was a fortuitous coincidence.
Psylo for iOS and iPadOS was created by Mysk, a Canada-based app biz run by software developers and security researchers Talal Haj Bakry and Tommy Mysk.
“Psylo stands out as it is the only WebKit-based iOS browser that truly isolates tabs,” Tommy Mysk told The Register. "It’s not only about separate storage and cookies. Psylo goes beyond that.
“This is why we call tabs ‘silos.’ It applies unique anti-fingerprinting measures per silo, such as canvas randomization. This way two Psylo tabs opening the same website would appear as though they originated on two different devices to the opened website.”
It does for sure, but it will always be far less aggressive about it than Google. Most sensitive data is either stored in device and semi-handled there, or quickly deleted (although we know everything that goes to a USA server is likely stored forever)
A lot of this data can be opted out on installation, which can’t really be said for Android iirc
Android also runs Google play services and their other proprietary software with root access on your device, push the Play Integrity API which essentially locks out devices that don’t run their software with root access or dare to use non authorized roms (non authorized you say? Hmm… really similar to Apple…)
Both OS suck big time and I can only hope Android and Apple are freed from the BS done by their owners, and app devs finally stop discriminating users for caring about their data and privacy
This went over your head. I know the post was about Apple and I was pointing out that android is likely worse for privacy
Personal attacks. You love to see it. Really shows the kind of person you are. Why opt for verbal violence and try to discredit me?
Whataboutism. Browser advertises itself as privacy respecting, yet builds on a non Privacy respecting OS. If they really wanted to protect the user, they would be open source, (at least the methods of protecting the user from tracking) firefox based and availible for linux and Android FOSS, similar to everything else (Firefox, Molly, Signal, etc). My whole Comment was about how they advertise themselves as Private, yet fail to address the most basic privacy concerns, essentially being an oxymoron. This was not about „which OS is less evil“ but „why did they not opt for the not at all evil?“
False. AOSP does not have Gservices, and has enough forks for hardware (Linaege, Graphene, Calyx, /e/)
See my point about AOSP.
So you just posted some random comment just because?
Also false, see my Point about AOSP.
What would be the alternative? Android is also a non privacy respecting OS and is even worse.
That’s nice, but no one uses android FOSS and everyone is using google play services. Firefox is also not very privacy respecting but that’s out of the subject anyways.
Yes, and it’s not usable for your everyday life. Enjoy running less than 10% apps on the market. All forks add Google Play services support because it’s pretty much mandatory nowadays.
I’m just going to write again what I wrote
because you made it seem like Apple was a bad solution and as there’s only android left, you made it seem like it was privacy respecting
I disagree, see my point about AOSP too
btw google are making aosp harder to use now, see grapheneos’s post
All of your Points are either already answered by me, ad hominem, or random assumptions without data backing it up.
Be my guest, uninstall GPServices and see. It’s known that all mainstream apps require it. Things like youtube obviously, and all google apps, uber, lyft, reddit, bank apps, discord (unsure), mcdonalds, burger king, yuka… many smaller apps and many games as well. If they work by luck, then you likely won’t have notifications. There’s no easy database for this and you probably know it
Then, for the privacy points, then you also know google’s privacy policy. Google play services is closed source, so yea, good luck finding proof for this, just like for apple
where? Criticizing something specific inherently implies there is a better alternative, or you wouldn’t be focused specifically on apple. I’m saying android is not and AOSP is not viable due to being an outdated user experience and supporting much much less apps and features, as well as not really being used without play services
Never had it installed in the first place.
no bank apps? no google maps? no fast food or taxi app? no ‘mainstream’ social media? that’s your only phone?
You’re one of rare people then. I couldn’t do it.
Your whole comment is hinging pretty hard on the AOSP point, as that’s almost definitely the alternative the user was referring to.
The only ones there that are anywhere close to essential are banking and Google Maps. Maps has alternatives that I’ve seen people use as well, such as Organic Maps. More importantly is most of these can be done in a single app, a web browser.
I’ve done both app and phone browser banking, and they’re pretty interchangeable, just set up site shortcuts on your home screen instead. Similar to fast food, I don’t use taxis. Social media is the main offender here but most mainstream social media sucks dick.
Why do you need these things as apps?
Won’t work for things like neobanks (revolut, n26, trade republic, sumeria)
Also many banks have a disastrous web interface in my country, and card 2FA is sometimes only done on the app for internet payments
I know not having the app makes me unable to get Burger King offers, or use the Yuka app, both of which I really need
GrapheneOS
It pretty much just sandboxes google play services. You still need to use it for many things and you can see it’s deeply integrated in many places.
My main point is
is incorrect as a general statement about Android. I used GrapheneOS as an example but there are plenty of other Android ROMs that also don’t come with Google Play Services or any Google at all.
https://lemmy.super.ynh.fr/comment/363277
Obtainium. Aurora Store. Accrescent. Sideloading.
You still lose access to notifications, and some apps straight up don’t work (those using Play integrity, but not only)
To be fair i’ve not tried fucking up with this too much but I know it’s implemented in a lot of apps
We could tell.
Sorry, but what you are dismissing as “They only… You still… You lose…” is very ignorant.
What the GrapheneOS team has achieved is technically impressive, sandboxing Google Play is something no other project has done yet, and now with Private Spaces you can essentially split your profile in two and decide which apps you want Google Play to run through, and which you don’t.
I put all the privacy intrusive apps in the private Space and installed Google services there, and I only open that space about once a week to keep in touch with some friends. The rest of the week I’m enjoying a fully degoogled phone using only FOSS apps and a bank that doesn’t require Google services to be installed.
The team deserves all the praise they get for building the most secure (and ironically, private) OS in the market right now, even with Google being so antagonistic to them. The phone is fully functional and we’re definitely not living 10 years in the past.
You should give it a proper try and form a facts-based opinion, or stop talking about it altogether.
False.Graphene does not have Gservices installed by default
Did I say it did? Maybe I worded it wrong but I meant that you need to use (and install it) to use the vast majority of apps, and it’s deeply integrated, in the play store and apps… and affects many parts of android
If you do install it, which you probably will unless you’re okay with living 10 years in the past and losing time, then you’re pretty much back to square one
Non-sandboxed play services have vastly more permissions and access to device information; it’s a step back from not having it, but utterly disengenuous to call it back to square one. It has far more privileged permission, and as you admit yourself, we don’t know what is in its code, so we don’t know what it is potentially doing with that permission.
yea I guess, I meant it goes from spyware to really intrusive
I’m typing this via GrapheneOS and I don’t at all feel like I’m living 10 years in the past lol.
Even if I was, at least the internet would be a less shitty place than it is now, there would be almost no LLM/AI crap, I wouldn’t constantly have to be as vigilant against big corps datamining my privacy as much as I am now… Actually, 2015 was a pretty decent time compared to now. Got a time machine?
and you don’t have play services installed?
oh so you’re one of them