Not everyone thinks popularity is the only consideration on issues, you know?
Ever consider the possibility that Fetterman’s stance on Israel is actually based on facts? Is it possible you may only be looking at what’s popular (as determined by social media algorithms) while Fetterman is considering things you’re not? Is it possible for the popular opinion to be wrong?
Is it possible that Fetterman, who you think is right on all the other issues, may also be right about Israel even while the popular opinion is wrong?
I’ll wait for you to consult with the social media algorithms to determine what the most popular responses to these questions are.
Believe it or not, I think genocide is a bad thing - a concept I assume you’re incapable of grasping given your implied defence of Israel’s actions.
His stance on Israel is unpopular because it’s monstrous - it’s not monstrous because it’s unpopular. This is a deeply stupid take in defence of a genocide.
Oh look - a peek at your comment history shows you characterising Hamas’s actions as a genocide in the last 2 hours - you’re a real John Wayne Gacy-type - a murderous, monstrous fucking clown that just loves dead kids.
Have you ever considered the possibility that what Israel is doing is not actually genocide?
See on the internet you can be siloed off to the point you’re only ever hearing people say the same thing over and over until you start to believe it’s true.
I see that’s it’s now popular to say that Israel is committing genocide. Have you considered that’s part of an attempt to create a false equivalency narrative to claim make it seem like what Hamas did on October 7 isn’t all that bad because “both sides”?
At Palestinian protests that people like to go to for a social gathering many times there are people cosplaying as Hamas guys. How do you make it palatable to people that there are people cosplaying as genocidal psychopaths at the rallies they enjoy attending? Well you gotta normalize genocide. Israel is doing genocide too! I’m in another thread where people are claiming that Obama committed genocide as well.
Maybe Fetterman just isn’t going along with these attempts to normalize genocide. The Palestinian movement is a violent movement with a lot of antisemitism problems that hasn’t made any real effort to disassociate itself from the genocidal actions of Hamas. Violent, antisemitic, anti-democracy movements that are all about the blood and soil “from the river to the sea” type shit have been popular in the past, you know. And they tend to accuse others of the crimes that they do. But some of us have read enough history to understand that it’s not a good idea to buy into these kinds of movements.
Hamas is an anti-democracy antisemitic group that has committed genocide. They accuse Israel of committing genocide. And you believe them simply because it’s a popular thing to do?
I’ve considered the possibility that what Israel are doing isn’t genocide - then I picked up a dictionary and the UN definition, and that cleared things up nicely.
Have you ever considered the possibility that what Israel is doing is not actually genocide?
Over 10,000 children have been killed in Gaza. 10,000 kids, teenagers, infants, preteens, toddlers Dead. Any conflict with that many literal children killed is clearly fucked up beyond reason and highly likely to be officially classified as a genocide
You do understand that civilian casualties have happened in nearly every war in history? You’re just claiming that all war is genocide. But then we need to come up with a term for when a group deliberately target civilians which is what Hamas did and Israel is not doing. Or maybe we just continue to describe what Hamas did as genocide and what Israel is doing as a war. Because we already have the necessary words needed to describe the distinction between a group that is deliberately targeting and killing civilians (genocide) and a group that is in conflict with another combatant and that conflict causes civilian casualties (war).
Now I understand that many people have spent most of the formative life thinking Israel is the bad guys and Palestine is the good guys. But things are so black and white. Netanyahu is an asshole, but most Israelis are good people. The children that were murdered by Hamas did nothing wrong.
Most Palestinians are good people, but have been living under the oppressive government of Hamas for so long many have been radicalized and antisemitic. Hamas is straight up genocidal psychopaths. Hamas is obviously bad for Israel but is also an oppressive government that for the last decade and half has indoctrinated people from a young age to make them capable of genocide. We don’t like genocide, right? So Hamas has to be eliminated or at least diminished to the point where it’s no longer able to hold power. Then Hamas won’t be able to commit future genocide. Which is what we want right?
So how do you go about preventing Hamas from committing future genocide? Ask them nicely? You see the problem with the kind of psychopaths that actually commit genocide is sure they’ll agree to a ceasefire, but the goal is to survive, regroup and commit genocide again. So how do we remove Hamas from the equation? War is actually the only option. Wars do result in civilian war. This is a war that was started because of the genocide Hamas committed. Hamas are a group of psychopaths that don’t care about the deaths of Palestinian civilians. In fact they consider them to be Shahids, so civilian deaths are a good thing to them. So a war against a group that wants their own civilians to die is obviously going to have a lot of civilian casualties. They built hundreds of miles of tunnels to keep themselves safe, not to keep the 10,000 kids, teenagers, infants, preteens, toddlers you mentioned safe.
It’s an odd thing isn’t it? It’s Israel’s responsibility to keep Palestinian civilians safe, but nobody even considers what Hamas’ responsibility is in terms of keeping Palestinian civilians safe. Why is this? Because we all know that Hamas is a monster. But we also want to keep this monster alive? Why?
Bruh stop projecting. All I care about in any conflict is that is that civilians aren’t needlessly placed in danger and as a second priority combatant lives are minimally endangered as well.
Living under the oppressive government of Hamas for so long many have been radicalized and antisemitic.
Over 10,000 CHILDREN KILLED and you’re blathering about radicalization. You know what radicalizes people? Being the victim of a genocide. I fail to see how murdering hundreds of thousands of civilians prevents radicalization. You are sick and twisted if you seriously believe these civilian deaths are acceptable. You have to be pretty sick to so much as suggest that these countless deaths are acceptable.
Then why not call for Hamas to surrender and face justice for the genocide they committed? That’s what started this war. And yes what Israel is doing is a war, not genocide. Not matter how many times you push this propaganda, it doesn’t make it true. It just makes the Palestinian movement look more and more unhinged.
Are you so twisted you let Hamas off the hook for actual genocide? If Hamas surrenders, the civilian casualties would stop. Why do you think Hamas is not responsible for this war? Why do you think the deaths of Jews is acceptable?
Do you think it’s acceptable for Hamas to hide in underground bunkers while the civilian population is above them at the mercy of an army they claim is committing genocide? Why don’t the civilians just tell the IDF where the tunnels are so they can finish the job, and end this war?
Then why not call for Hamas to surrender and face justice for the genocide they committed?
Because by the dictionary and UN definitions, Israel’s actions, not Hamas’s are genocidal, and it would be silly to surrender to a group that’s made no secret of the fact that they intend to exterminate you. Should German Jews have surrendered to the Nazis? Maybe Ukraine to Russia? If not, what’s the difference?
Yeah I shouldn’t expect people that think Israel is committing genocide will be capable of reading anything.
Unfortunately complex foreign policy issues can’t be communicated in meme form. Just vote for Dark Brandon, the guy in the memes with the laser eyes (But remember it will say “Joe Biden” on the ballot) and you can go back to mindlessly consuming memes.
You get another Israeli quote dump - this time the absolutely unhinged, openly genocidal rhetoric from Revital “Tally” Gotliv, an Israeli lawyer and member of the Knesset for the Likud.
Jericho Missile! Jericho Missile! Strategic alert. before considering the introduction of forces. Doomsday weapon! This is my opinion. May God preserve all our strength
I urge you to do everything and use Doomsday weapons fearlessly against our enemies.
(Israel) must use everything in its arsenal.
Only an explosion that shakes the Middle East will restore this country’s dignity, strength and security!
It’s time to kiss doomsday. Shooting powerful missiles without limit. Not flattening a neighbourhood. Crushing and flattening Gaza. … without mercy! without mercy
Considering the fact that the Israeli government is shouting this comically evil nonsense, annexing Palestinian territory with “settlers”, flattening Palestinian territories, killing well over a hundred journalists reporting on the genocide, blockading the supply of water, food, aid, building and medical supplies, trade, movement, the ability to return in open-air concentration camp conditions and an apartheid state - all while killing tens of thousands of people - mostly civilians.
I’ll ask you yet again, Rudolph Jitler - What is your definition of genocide? I ask because it’s obvious you’re not using the dictionary or UN definitions, and are obviously deferring to feels.
MGT and Lauren Boebert (US members of congress) say crazy shit all the time.
Some members of legislatures are weirdos. It happens sometimes in a democracy. I guess Hamas doesn’t have this kind of problem, huh?
What is your definition of genocide?
Deliberately targeting civilians of specific ethnic group. Israel is targeting Hamas combatants, who have embedded themselves in the Gaza civilian population like a tick. If Hamas would surrender and face justice for their crimes the fighting would be over and there would be no more civilian casualties.
Civilian casualties in Gaza happen where Hamas is present. Civilian casualties on October 7 happened where the IDF wasn’t present. See the difference?
It’s not all that complicated, really.
Also breaking news: it seems that some of the perpetrators of October 7 were on the UN payroll. That’s crazy, right? It’s possible the UN may be complicit in genocide. Shit could get really crazy now.
Not everyone thinks popularity is the only consideration on issues, you know?
Ever consider the possibility that Fetterman’s stance on Israel is actually based on facts? Is it possible you may only be looking at what’s popular (as determined by social media algorithms) while Fetterman is considering things you’re not? Is it possible for the popular opinion to be wrong?
Is it possible that Fetterman, who you think is right on all the other issues, may also be right about Israel even while the popular opinion is wrong?
I’ll wait for you to consult with the social media algorithms to determine what the most popular responses to these questions are.
Believe it or not, I think genocide is a bad thing - a concept I assume you’re incapable of grasping given your implied defence of Israel’s actions.
His stance on Israel is unpopular because it’s monstrous - it’s not monstrous because it’s unpopular. This is a deeply stupid take in defence of a genocide.
Oh look - a peek at your comment history shows you characterising Hamas’s actions as a genocide in the last 2 hours - you’re a real John Wayne Gacy-type - a murderous, monstrous fucking clown that just loves dead kids.
Have you ever considered the possibility that what Israel is doing is not actually genocide?
See on the internet you can be siloed off to the point you’re only ever hearing people say the same thing over and over until you start to believe it’s true.
I see that’s it’s now popular to say that Israel is committing genocide. Have you considered that’s part of an attempt to create a false equivalency narrative to claim make it seem like what Hamas did on October 7 isn’t all that bad because “both sides”?
At Palestinian protests that people like to go to for a social gathering many times there are people cosplaying as Hamas guys. How do you make it palatable to people that there are people cosplaying as genocidal psychopaths at the rallies they enjoy attending? Well you gotta normalize genocide. Israel is doing genocide too! I’m in another thread where people are claiming that Obama committed genocide as well.
Maybe Fetterman just isn’t going along with these attempts to normalize genocide. The Palestinian movement is a violent movement with a lot of antisemitism problems that hasn’t made any real effort to disassociate itself from the genocidal actions of Hamas. Violent, antisemitic, anti-democracy movements that are all about the blood and soil “from the river to the sea” type shit have been popular in the past, you know. And they tend to accuse others of the crimes that they do. But some of us have read enough history to understand that it’s not a good idea to buy into these kinds of movements.
Hamas is an anti-democracy antisemitic group that has committed genocide. They accuse Israel of committing genocide. And you believe them simply because it’s a popular thing to do?
I’ve considered the possibility that what Israel are doing isn’t genocide - then I picked up a dictionary and the UN definition, and that cleared things up nicely.
Where do you get your definition of genocide?
Over 10,000 children have been killed in Gaza. 10,000 kids, teenagers, infants, preteens, toddlers Dead. Any conflict with that many literal children killed is clearly fucked up beyond reason and highly likely to be officially classified as a genocide
You do understand that civilian casualties have happened in nearly every war in history? You’re just claiming that all war is genocide. But then we need to come up with a term for when a group deliberately target civilians which is what Hamas did and Israel is not doing. Or maybe we just continue to describe what Hamas did as genocide and what Israel is doing as a war. Because we already have the necessary words needed to describe the distinction between a group that is deliberately targeting and killing civilians (genocide) and a group that is in conflict with another combatant and that conflict causes civilian casualties (war).
Now I understand that many people have spent most of the formative life thinking Israel is the bad guys and Palestine is the good guys. But things are so black and white. Netanyahu is an asshole, but most Israelis are good people. The children that were murdered by Hamas did nothing wrong.
Most Palestinians are good people, but have been living under the oppressive government of Hamas for so long many have been radicalized and antisemitic. Hamas is straight up genocidal psychopaths. Hamas is obviously bad for Israel but is also an oppressive government that for the last decade and half has indoctrinated people from a young age to make them capable of genocide. We don’t like genocide, right? So Hamas has to be eliminated or at least diminished to the point where it’s no longer able to hold power. Then Hamas won’t be able to commit future genocide. Which is what we want right?
So how do you go about preventing Hamas from committing future genocide? Ask them nicely? You see the problem with the kind of psychopaths that actually commit genocide is sure they’ll agree to a ceasefire, but the goal is to survive, regroup and commit genocide again. So how do we remove Hamas from the equation? War is actually the only option. Wars do result in civilian war. This is a war that was started because of the genocide Hamas committed. Hamas are a group of psychopaths that don’t care about the deaths of Palestinian civilians. In fact they consider them to be Shahids, so civilian deaths are a good thing to them. So a war against a group that wants their own civilians to die is obviously going to have a lot of civilian casualties. They built hundreds of miles of tunnels to keep themselves safe, not to keep the 10,000 kids, teenagers, infants, preteens, toddlers you mentioned safe.
It’s an odd thing isn’t it? It’s Israel’s responsibility to keep Palestinian civilians safe, but nobody even considers what Hamas’ responsibility is in terms of keeping Palestinian civilians safe. Why is this? Because we all know that Hamas is a monster. But we also want to keep this monster alive? Why?
Bruh stop projecting. All I care about in any conflict is that is that civilians aren’t needlessly placed in danger and as a second priority combatant lives are minimally endangered as well.
Over 10,000 CHILDREN KILLED and you’re blathering about radicalization. You know what radicalizes people? Being the victim of a genocide. I fail to see how murdering hundreds of thousands of civilians prevents radicalization. You are sick and twisted if you seriously believe these civilian deaths are acceptable. You have to be pretty sick to so much as suggest that these countless deaths are acceptable.
Then why not call for Hamas to surrender and face justice for the genocide they committed? That’s what started this war. And yes what Israel is doing is a war, not genocide. Not matter how many times you push this propaganda, it doesn’t make it true. It just makes the Palestinian movement look more and more unhinged.
Are you so twisted you let Hamas off the hook for actual genocide? If Hamas surrenders, the civilian casualties would stop. Why do you think Hamas is not responsible for this war? Why do you think the deaths of Jews is acceptable?
Do you think it’s acceptable for Hamas to hide in underground bunkers while the civilian population is above them at the mercy of an army they claim is committing genocide? Why don’t the civilians just tell the IDF where the tunnels are so they can finish the job, and end this war?
Got it. That’s what justifies Israel killing over 10,000 children. What Hamas hasn’t done.
I have no idea why the U.S. didn’t just nuke Kabul after 9/11, frankly. I mean after what Osama did, it would have been totally justified, right?
Then why not call for Hamas to surrender and face justice for the genocide they committed?
Because by the dictionary and UN definitions, Israel’s actions, not Hamas’s are genocidal, and it would be silly to surrender to a group that’s made no secret of the fact that they intend to exterminate you. Should German Jews have surrendered to the Nazis? Maybe Ukraine to Russia? If not, what’s the difference?
Do you really not know what Hamas did on October 7?
Explain to me how what you’re doing right now is different from holocaust denial.
You expect us to read all that bullshit?
Yeah I shouldn’t expect people that think Israel is committing genocide will be capable of reading anything.
Unfortunately complex foreign policy issues can’t be communicated in meme form. Just vote for Dark Brandon, the guy in the memes with the laser eyes (But remember it will say “Joe Biden” on the ballot) and you can go back to mindlessly consuming memes.
Get fucked genocide supporter.
Also, I’m not American.
You get another Israeli quote dump - this time the absolutely unhinged, openly genocidal rhetoric from Revital “Tally” Gotliv, an Israeli lawyer and member of the Knesset for the Likud.
Considering the fact that the Israeli government is shouting this comically evil nonsense, annexing Palestinian territory with “settlers”, flattening Palestinian territories, killing well over a hundred journalists reporting on the genocide, blockading the supply of water, food, aid, building and medical supplies, trade, movement, the ability to return in open-air concentration camp conditions and an apartheid state - all while killing tens of thousands of people - mostly civilians.
I’ll ask you yet again, Rudolph Jitler - What is your definition of genocide? I ask because it’s obvious you’re not using the dictionary or UN definitions, and are obviously deferring to feels.
MGT and Lauren Boebert (US members of congress) say crazy shit all the time.
Some members of legislatures are weirdos. It happens sometimes in a democracy. I guess Hamas doesn’t have this kind of problem, huh?
Deliberately targeting civilians of specific ethnic group. Israel is targeting Hamas combatants, who have embedded themselves in the Gaza civilian population like a tick. If Hamas would surrender and face justice for their crimes the fighting would be over and there would be no more civilian casualties.
Civilian casualties in Gaza happen where Hamas is present. Civilian casualties on October 7 happened where the IDF wasn’t present. See the difference?
It’s not all that complicated, really.
Also breaking news: it seems that some of the perpetrators of October 7 were on the UN payroll. That’s crazy, right? It’s possible the UN may be complicit in genocide. Shit could get really crazy now.
Lmao