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    Religion is a belief. School curriculum is made based on facts and experiments over time. They should not be combined.

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      Religion is made up fairytales that adults still believe in.

      Honesty a guy praying to Jebus is no different than a guy shooting hadoukens from his wrists.

      Yet one is called spiritual while the other is called childish…

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    It’s funny that they clearly aren’t considering that religions other than theirs also exist. That’s the whole point of the Separation of Church and State. Your arbitrary religious views have no place in government or governance or public spaces… because others have other beliefs, many of which likely stand in stark contrast to yours, and the permutations are endless. Leaving your religious biases out of public life allows us all to coexist.

    But lets ignore that and see what happens. Looking forward to The Satanic Temple having a presence in all public schools. Maybe muslims can get the Five Pillars and Buddhists can get the Noble Truths… and we’re just getting started.

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      They’re not ignoring it, they’re fully aware, and it’s the whole point. They want an official state religion to suppress all others. They’ve been perfectly willing and able to blatantly ignore facts, evidence, and existing law and jurisprudence to benefit one religion over all others.

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      This part is both mind blowing and hilarious. Not too long ago they were screeching that “they are trying to make everything sharia law!”

      Then they do this, with absolutely no sense of irony. The dumb runs so deep that its turning to magma.

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    I wasnt going to have kids and the world keeps enforcing my decisions. If I had to deal with religion aimed at my kid I’d actually lose it 💀

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      It would be probably better than most of the other offerings in Oklahoma. Funnily enough, OKCPS had(has?) an illegal provision in its dress code that bans “satanic” imagery.

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      Yeah, the idea isn’t that church and state are matter/antimatter, but that the state shouldn’t be used to direct people towards or away from any religion.

      If the government establishes fair criteria for “school eligible for federal funding” then there’s no reason those schools must be secular or of any particular religion.

      Wait until some MAGAt groks that their tax dollars might go to a (((school))) or end up helping Muslims in some way.

      TBF, this regime doesn’t actually support any form of real education.

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    He continued: “You can’t treat religious people and religious institutions and religious speech as second-class in the United States… And when you have a program that’s open to all comers except religion… that seems like rank discrimination against religion.”

    No, you stupid cunt. Religious institutions are special snowflakes that enjoy tax-exempt status and steal billions of dollars from this country by existing. Now you want to give them billions more on top of it. Fuck you Brett Kavanaugh you treasonous piece of shit.

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    If you didn’t vote Harris, you voted for this.

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      Actually no. Refusing to vote for a genocidal candidate, regardless of which side of the aisle or gender they are, is always a good choice. We are not free until we are all free. I demand my politicians not just be the lesser of two evils. I hope you can too. Cuz the drive to vote for a democratic candidate cuz they are not as evil is what got us here in the first place.

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        how’s that working out for you?

        sometimes being an adult means doing distasteful things… both candidates supported genocide… 1 of the candidates also wasn’t racist, economically literate, determined to exterminate the poor, and destroy what little democracy you had

        get the fuck over it… you have 2 bad choices and your lack of choice contributed to this

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      There have been no new Supreme Court nominees since the election, so even if Harris had won, it would not have changed this.

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        If you didn’t vote for Harris, you accepted that allowing genocide and converting Gaza into a Trump resort was preferable to voting for slightly less genocide. The genocide has only gotten worse because Harris lost. Clownshow ethics.

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        If you pull the lever, the trolley will run over people.

        If you don’t pull the lever, it will run them over faster because its itinerary includes running over everyone else on the planet BUT as everyone is run over, one after another, you can show them your hands. They will marvel at how clean they are and you will say it’s because you had the courage to not touch the lever. Your unwavering sense of justice will inspire them and they will die happy, knowing they once spoke to such a hero.

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            Well yeah, that’s exactly the idea. Choose the best of bad options, and try to improve things so that the next time there’s better options.

            Not choosing either usually leads to the worse option, which makes it harder to improve things.

            There are no easy options.

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            Independent. I still voted blue because they promised less genocide and I knew not doing so guaranteed as much of it as possible.

            But now that I see how clean your hands are compared to mine, I am ashamed. I mean, yes a lot more people are now dying as a result, but can you really put a price on cleanliness?

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        You bit hard into the propaganda campaign for this.

        You had two choices, bad or worse.

        You chose neither and allowed worse to win.

        Get down off your high horse, this does not make you morally superior, it makes you an idiot.

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          These people don’t realize (or well, maybe they do and are lying, I can’t read their minds) that asking people to not meaningfully participate in voting is like asking people to not participate in capitalism.

          The argument that there’s no ethical consumption under capitalism — something all leftists agree on and understand they still need to buy food, clothes, electronics etc. despite them being unethically sourced — is the same as the argument that there’s no ethical voting in FPTP (and capitalism). It’s literally the same argument, just centered on voting.

          So these people end up doing a kind of unironic “you say you’re a leftist yet you own an iPhone” but for voting — while probably typing all that from an iPhone.

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            When you can’t buy anything in the stores you will definitely care.

            When you’re starving to death in your own house you won’t be thinking about genocide anymore.

            Stop burying your head in the sand.

            Basically what you just said is it’s bad that democrats do genocide but when republicans do it then it’s fine.

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        Ah so you think you are innocent because you didn’t vote.

        No. That makes you complacent. You let Trump win by not voting which is the same as voting for Trump.

        People like you are why Trump is president.

        What a brain dead take. Not only do you STILL have genocide, you also have a president who is going to destroy this country. All because you couldn’t lift your lazy fat ass off the couch.

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        You and those who took your route are virtue signaling morons. But at least you can look down your nose at the rest of us while our democracy crumbles and our rights are stripped away.

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      No, I didn’t vote for either. It was pretty easy to vote against Harris, while also voting against this. Maybe next time the Dems should run a candidate that at least pretends to care about what the voters want. That tends to help in elections.

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        Maybe next time the Dems should run a candidate that at least pretends to care about what the voters want. That tends to help in elections.

        All of this I agree with. Unfortunately it won’t happen until all the neolibs are run out of the party.

        But trying to pretend like you didn’t directly elect a dictator by “abstaining” is not only absurd, but ethically reprehensible. Much of life is about choosing between lesser evils and lesser pains. Letting the worst options win because a perfect one doesn’t (and cannot) exist makes you a deliberate, willing accomplice.

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        I would accept that in 2016. This time around you dipshits knew what the result of your apathy would be and did it anyway.

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            If there is a next time, I will absolutely say to vote lesser evil again. Without a workable alternative, that is the option. I still see no workable alternative. Longshot third parties with ~1% polling are not a workable alternative. Vague revolution composed of ~1% of the population is not a workable alternative. When you have a plan, with reasonable chances of success, we can talk.

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    How about we , the people, just don’t fucking do what they say. Trump’s an illegal president

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    “You can’t treat religious people and religious institutions and religious speech as second-class in the United States”

    If you’re teaching spiritual things then you’re not a top-class program. Stick to facts.

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    sun-worshippers will start teaching kids their dangerous nazi ideology… America is lost

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    America really is falling through, huh? Might just be best to dissolve the union and leave behind the garbage.

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          I’ve said that, word for word. When I actually sit and think about it though, I think it’s more like appendicitis. Religion once served a purpose (passing on of useful cultural norms and expectations), has become vestigial, and is now inflamed and likely to kill us (as a society and individually, in some cases)

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            Social / cultural norms don’t require belief systems and made up deities to function. Putting that magical thinking to it makes people fanatical and works against logic or ideological evolution. Religion has always worked against societal advancement. It was a collective delusion to soothe ancient fears of a world we could not comprehend. Clinging to it now is just a salve to people’s fear of death. It’s a weak minded cope to fragile egos who can’t stand that we are just animals and there is no greater purpose to our existence. It helps powerful people to get poor people to die for their causes and to manipulate emotions. It’s a disease against progress.

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              The supernatural claims are just a byproduct of the mechanism that passed along the creation myths and cultural norms. It would be great if that wasn’t how it happened, but it did. Rational people can agree at this point that the magical thinking is a net negative for society, but IMO, to ignore that there were some positives to come along with religion is the same sort of blind denial that religious folks use.

              It was a collective delusion to soothe ancient fears of a world we could not comprehend

              Agreed, but can’t you see that that was an advantage during the formative ages of society and civilization?

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                I can say it was a way to reach an end, but it wasn’t the only way to reach that end. Society in the formative ages could have just as easily organized around collective strength and pack principals instead of magical thinking. It served some purpose, but it was a poor way to reach that end. It is a net negative on humanity, but it’s how we got here so we have to deal with its corrosive residue in society today.

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                  Agreed, that’s my whole point. It was not the ideal way to get where we are, but it’s how it happened. There was a… I don’t want to say purpose, but “benefit,” might be the right word.

                  If we were designing things from scratch, then obviously religion would be left out. But it’s an unfortunate accident of the evolution of consciousness and evolution of civilization that certain societal benefits were included with the magical thinking. Just like the health of the human gut biome is tied to the existence of the appendix, even through the appendix doesn’t provide much in the way of direct benefits these days and can become inflamed and kill us.

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        I think if we were sent a history book from the year 2200, we would see that history has determine the US was already effectively gone by this point. Most just don’t see it yet. What’s left for us to figure out is where we go from here. So far, I don’t like the chance it is a better country or world.

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          Oh I agree, it’s been on a downwards spiral for a while, I was just saying how it’s sped up it’s descent.