What that sounds like is that you are okay with collateral damage. But where does that stop? Are you ok with the killing of thier spouse because they chose to marry someone who became a cop? What about thier kids? Cousins? Neighbors? People who live in the same apartment complex?
Where do you draw the line? And why?
A very solid line against anyone who didn’t choose it. Spouse? Probably not, but it’s in the blurry area. Are they encouraging them to be evil? I’d rather none of it happen, including the cops killing people. If they are, it’d be good if they faced consequences, so they couldn’t do it freely. Those first two aren’t happening though, so something else needs to. The only way they stop at this point is if they’re afraid to murder people. Again, preferably this is done through the legal process, but that isn’t happening.
For me, killing a cop indiscriminately is not okay. A dirty cop, I will say ok assuming the punishment fits the crime. The problem you describe is caused by poloticians, union leaders, and the legal system. They are the ones that should be “pressured” to affect change.
I agree mostly, but I would say the union at least would work to change things if they see cops being murdered because cops are legally getting away with murder. The union works for the cops. They try to protect them, and if that means they need stricter rules so they can’t cause danger for other cops, that’s what they’d do. It might take a while though.
The same might be done by politicians or judges/the legal system if they see this too. The fact of the matter is, what the cops are doing is already illegal. It just isn’t enforced. If these people see vigilantism against cops rise, I’d hope (though I wouldn’t bet on it) that they’d start making changes to the system so people don’t feel that’s necessary.
Also, yes, this would be the literal definition of terrorism. What the cops are doing is also terrorism. It’s only ever seen as bad when it’s entities other than the state doing it, because they control the media.
Again, I hope we don’t see this happening, but I also see that people feel they aren’t left with an alternative, so I expect it to become more common unless things begin to change.
Edit: I also want to add that all cops are complicit unless they’re speaking out for change and calling out the dirty cops, but then you don’t get to be a cop for long. One rotten apple spoils the bunch. Get rid of the rotten apples or you’re all going to be rotten.
I dunno. The kind of macho person who becomes a cop isn’t likely to respond to vigilantes killing cops by looking inside to fix the problem. They seem more likely to ask for more powers and such to go after potential vigilantes and such.
The union leaders aren’t dumb people. Just power hungry and more loyal than sensible. They know they can’t change current bad cops into good cops. And they know if they try to get rid of the bad cops they will reduce thier power and influence as the will represent less people, and collect less in union dues. They just have no motivation to improve quality. And killing indiscriminately will only give them more influence through sympathy and outrage.
I don’t know how we motivate them though. Probably financially. Maybe somehow make the union pay a portion of every settlement or something.
What that sounds like is that you are okay with collateral damage. But where does that stop? Are you ok with the killing of thier spouse because they chose to marry someone who became a cop? What about thier kids? Cousins? Neighbors? People who live in the same apartment complex? Where do you draw the line? And why?
A very solid line against anyone who didn’t choose it. Spouse? Probably not, but it’s in the blurry area. Are they encouraging them to be evil? I’d rather none of it happen, including the cops killing people. If they are, it’d be good if they faced consequences, so they couldn’t do it freely. Those first two aren’t happening though, so something else needs to. The only way they stop at this point is if they’re afraid to murder people. Again, preferably this is done through the legal process, but that isn’t happening.
For me, killing a cop indiscriminately is not okay. A dirty cop, I will say ok assuming the punishment fits the crime. The problem you describe is caused by poloticians, union leaders, and the legal system. They are the ones that should be “pressured” to affect change.
I agree mostly, but I would say the union at least would work to change things if they see cops being murdered because cops are legally getting away with murder. The union works for the cops. They try to protect them, and if that means they need stricter rules so they can’t cause danger for other cops, that’s what they’d do. It might take a while though.
The same might be done by politicians or judges/the legal system if they see this too. The fact of the matter is, what the cops are doing is already illegal. It just isn’t enforced. If these people see vigilantism against cops rise, I’d hope (though I wouldn’t bet on it) that they’d start making changes to the system so people don’t feel that’s necessary.
Also, yes, this would be the literal definition of terrorism. What the cops are doing is also terrorism. It’s only ever seen as bad when it’s entities other than the state doing it, because they control the media.
Again, I hope we don’t see this happening, but I also see that people feel they aren’t left with an alternative, so I expect it to become more common unless things begin to change.
Edit: I also want to add that all cops are complicit unless they’re speaking out for change and calling out the dirty cops, but then you don’t get to be a cop for long. One rotten apple spoils the bunch. Get rid of the rotten apples or you’re all going to be rotten.
I dunno. The kind of macho person who becomes a cop isn’t likely to respond to vigilantes killing cops by looking inside to fix the problem. They seem more likely to ask for more powers and such to go after potential vigilantes and such. The union leaders aren’t dumb people. Just power hungry and more loyal than sensible. They know they can’t change current bad cops into good cops. And they know if they try to get rid of the bad cops they will reduce thier power and influence as the will represent less people, and collect less in union dues. They just have no motivation to improve quality. And killing indiscriminately will only give them more influence through sympathy and outrage. I don’t know how we motivate them though. Probably financially. Maybe somehow make the union pay a portion of every settlement or something.