• Bonus @lemm.ee
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    3 days ago

    He knows his phony baloney base is supposedly Christian, right?

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      There’s historically bad blood between Catholics and Protestants in America. All the recent Pope stuff is designed to fan those flames.

      Non Catholics lump the two together but Protestant America is taught young that Catholics are in the same group as Jews, Muslims, and everyone else they hate.

      So this is all dog whistling.

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        Something something God uses imperfect people, I guess.

        Edit: I mean that’s something I’ve heard of MAGAts saying. Apparently they don’t care because somehow they’re convinced Trump is chosen by capital-G-God an will do God’s will even if he’s sinful as fuck.

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      Yes, but I read someone make the point, much better than I will now, that Trump’s people are Trump’s people. They’re not Republicans or conservatives or whatever. They will support him no matter what.

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        american “christianity” is generally about as christian as neon genesis evangelion, it’s a nationwide cult wearing a crucifix necklace like Clark Kent wears glasses.

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        They’re just sheep. Like him, they’re malleable, formed by whoever was last in the room. It’s very convenient for him.

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        Speaking entirely from personal experience, this is accurate. I don’t know what percentage of people in the US are Catholic, but at least where I’m at (the south) most are Protestant. I went from being raised as a church kid (Protestant, Pentecostal to be specific), to hanging out with pagans after I left the church, and with a bunch of other groups. Everyone makes fun of Catholics.

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      This is what they’ll tell you with a straight face.

      Noah was a drunk, King David killed a man so he could have the widow, and King Solomon had thousands of slaves.

      The Lord can choose to work through flawed me; we must look past their character to see the holy spirit within.

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        Exactly why, as a small child, I couldn’t understand anyone following this bullshit. They contradict themselves and then expect you to believe.

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          It was much too late by then. The Italian fascist movement was on the back foot and had been co-opted by Hitler and the Nazi party.

          The Vatican supported the rise of Fascism in the 20’s and 30s. By 1937, fascism had already risen and everyone was about to start doing world war things in a couple years as a result.

          This is the MO for the church/Vatican, they are never on the side of good out of the gate, but retcon things later to make it appear like they were secretly the good guys somehow.

          History of the church and their decisions is long and bloody. This hasn’t ever changed.

          But the church still tries to gaslight everyone that they’ve been the good guys all along.

          • 52fighters@lemmy.sdf.orgOPM
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            You seem to paper over the fact that the Church coming out against Hitler put the lives of many clergy at risk and invited a hateful wrath. The Church did not oppose Nazism because they had some insight that years later the Nazis would lose. They did it because it was the right thing to do.

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              That’s some great retconning from the church if that’s their actual stance. :)

              “We didn’t oppose the fascists when the moment came because we heard they were going to lose, but trust us, we were really on the side of good all along.”

              To be fair, this is exactly what the Catholic church does and is good at, convincing people that they were on the side of good all along and white washing their history to remain relevant.

              It’s staggeringly effective at every level. They’ve been doing it for almost 2000 years. I don’t know of any other religion or cult that has managed to stay relevant for that long outside of the Catholic church, so they’re doing something right, even if what they’re doing “right” is actually quite wrong.

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                We didn’t oppose the fascists when the moment came because we heard they were going to lose

                The encyclical was issued Spring 1937. Well before it was obvious the Nazis were going to lose. This also pre-dates events like the Kristallnacht.

                This papal encyclical was not the first word against Nazism. It came after growing criticism of Nazism:

                • In 1933, the Bishop of Münster, Clemens August Graf von Galen, publicly criticized the Nazis’ policies, particularly their treatment of the mentally ill.

                • The German bishops issued a pastoral letter in 1934 that condemned the Nazi regime’s violations of human rights.

                • Going back to 1922, GK Chesterton famously condemned what was brewing in Germany when he wrote “Eugenics and other Evils.”

                You have to keep in mind that the Nazis used a new idea of science to create eugenics to justify much of their evil and this new science was at odds with Catholic teaching. Catholic teaching was perceived at the time as old, backward, superstitious, and an impediment to progress. To them, progress required the genocide of lesser people to make room for a superior race. The idea that God would become man and that man was a Jew was repulsive to these men.

                This was an era of extremes. Nazism on one side and Communism on the other. The Church did not suddenly come to the right stance at the end of the war. They came to that stance as the evil arose and increased their opposition to it as the degree of evil became more apparent. Mit brennender Sorge represented a real risk to Catholics in Germany … a risk worth taking because the evil of the Nazis had grown significantly.

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    Has anyone asked Trump about it?

    “I didn’t know I could be pope? This is the first time I’m hearing it. I think it’ll get in the way of…well I could be, maybe I will do it. The pope and president at the same time? Wouldn’t that be beautiful? Everyone’s saying it.”

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      they did ask him and he said “being pope would be my first choice”, you’ll note how you were unable to even come up with something as nonsensical as what he actually said

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    don’t protestant leaders find this disgusting in a different way?

    sorry i forgot, nothing means anything anymore.