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That’s why insulting people who bash the “main stream media” is essential.
“Pfft. Where do you get your news? Joe Rogan?”
Make it a meme.
The left wants their own Joe Rogan. Perhaps it’s better to destroy him and the idea of him — everyone playing his game, and in doing so, restore faith in facts and truth, and the dedication of rank and file journalists that do their due diligence to report what they actually can verify.
The problem is that the “main stream media” is also shitty and they lie all the time too.
Media literacy means having a sense of which outlets lie about which issues and why. eg: the Wall Street Journal editorials and op-eds are used as a means of introducing lies for commercial advantage, and New York Times politics writers put out puff pieces to maintain access to wealth and power.
Fair enough. Also knowing the general bias of a given outlet. I’m pretty much never going to trust anything from the NYT that coincides with the US state Dept narrative, and I feel similarly about the BBC and the British ministry.
I wouldn’t go where you are; I can think of several examples of the NYT and US State Department agreeing about Ukraine in ways that turned out to be very right. It’s more important to look at what evidence is brought to bear to support a conclusion, and whether the conclusion is valid based on the evidence, and to look at more than one outlet to understand an issue, so it’s not easy to use paltering to mislead.
Okay, but you kinda have a choice between media that work from a set of principles to get the facts right and a bunch of algorithm-driven influencers who will say whatever it takes to get more clicks. The difference between those two groups has shrunken, and not in the direction of respecting facts either, however I’d say most people get their information from sources that don’t actually do reporting now. They don’t have any loyalty to facts. Most of the mainstream media still have reporters dedicated to principles of neutrality and objectivity. However, people are instead sourcing their information from people that don’t do any actual reporting and that don’t have any commitment to objectivity or neutrality. They simply want to push an agenda, which often involves trying to lie about the facts, ignore them, or present them in some ideologically framed manner.
Many of the traditional media outlets have always been pushing agendas too. You just may not have been aware of them. I don’t mean to equate them with patriot Joe’s bootlicker blog, exactly, but I also am no longer fooled by a facade of gravitas.
they are all owned by conservatives thats why theres a agenda push, if you look up who owns these MSMs.
They also chase clicks these days too
I don’t disagree, but I think we are in a coarse battle between patriot Joe’s bootlicker blog and a basic dedication to the facts. I have my political biases, but society cannot sustain an assault on the truth in the service of promoting fascism. I suspect you want to move society left, and I have similar sympathies, but we should first sustain an open society and protect the values of objectivity and neutrality in the media.
Do you want your information from a source that is 80-90% about reporting and 10-20% opinion, or one that is 100% just pushing an agenda.
Of course I am absolutely against anything promoting fascism. I also think it is very important to analyze how we got to where we are. Part of the fault lies with our traditional media failing to do its job. I think it’s a mistake to place your hope in the people who led us down this path to save us from the consequences.
Dude. Nobody is beyond criticism in a free country.
They want to publish absolute bullshit, it’s perfectly fair to call them on it.
Dude. Nobody is beyond criticism in a free country.
I’m sure he would agree, as he was offering his own criticism.
They want to publish absolute bullshit, it’s perfectly fair to call them on it.
So go ahead. But that’s not what this is about. This is not about reviewing things after the fact, it’s about the prejudicial bias used to justify “hand waving” any details. When you “already know you’re right” cause “they’re always wrong”, don’t be surprised when nobody cares about what you have to say.
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