• Ross_audio@lemmy.world
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      Women exist and are equal to men in artistic spheres. There is no reason they can’t compete for the same award.

      The need for separate recognition of men and women implies separate standards for men and women.

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        If Hollywood considered them equal, they would be paid the same as men for similar roles. While that can happen, it’s still the exception. And usually only happens for women who’ve won awards.

        When Hollywood stops basing pay on gender, then we can get rid of the gendered awards.

        • System_below@lemmy.myserv.one
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          No actor is paid the same as any other actor wyd?

          They each have an individual value in the industry. Like if the rock is acting alongside Jennifer Aniston then the rock is obviously going to be paid more.

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            Like if the rock is acting alongside Jennifer Aniston then the rock is obviously going to be paid more.

            Dude you can’t write that and forget the /s

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          And having separate categories solves that how? You’re just perpetuating the very thing you’re declaring is a problem.

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            The current system is less than ideal, but at least with gendered awards, women have a shot at getting awards which translates into bigger future paychecks. What you’re proposing is that the same industry that currently ignores equal pay for women is somehow going to recognize them in a category against the men who are already getting paid more than them?!

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              This doesn’t solve equal pay, it just perpetuates the misogynist notion that women aren’t good enough to compete with men.

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              But not if they still pay the woman less no matter how many awards she gets. How does it translate? How do you feel about men making way less in the adult film industry? Would men winning more awards change anything?

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                There’s at least one study showing men get an 81% increase in money after a big award win, whereas woman get much, much less but usually something more and greater creative control of which projects they do. If they’re all lumped in the same category, men continue to win the awards and get pay bumps and women get nothing at all.

                Not going to bother with an opinion on the adult film industry as that’s ostensibly a similar business but has hugely different economics. Not sure it’s really relevant to this discussion as generally, female performers in adult films go through much more difficulties than their male counterparts - they’re literally not doing the same job, whereas in the mainstream film industry they are.

                • al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com
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                  Lol it’s almost like they are good at acting and that is why they get the award in the first place. How is it to live in a world where the sun only rises because your rooster crows?
                  Just say you never have watch porn. “Difficulties.” Is not a very mature or healthy way to describe sex. Sheesh men take dick too homie very narrow minded of you.

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                And having separate categories solves that how? You’re just perpetuating the very thing you’re declaring is a problem.

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                  Is there a reason you’re quoting the comments I wrote back to me?

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                    Strange that you don’t understand the implications of your own words. Replace gender with race. That should help you understand some of those implications.

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        I think they were trying to call out that women are still underrepresented in a lot of different ways. Removing gendered based awards reduces the opportunities for women to be recognized, if you believe they are underrepresented.

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          Its not an opportunity for them to be recognized, it’s an opportunity for them to be belittled. Like “oh you’re totally the best woman actor, congratulations! Maybe one day you’ll be as good as the men!”