• nyan@lemmy.cafe
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    1 day ago

    There have been experimental deployments of Universal Basic Income, one of which lasted five years and involved an entire town, and none of those things ever materialized.

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      1 day ago

      Thank you for your comment. I’m confident a towns economic capacity is of no consequence to the interconnected nature of national economics unfortunately. But am also woefully ignorant lol

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        5 hours ago

        You’re not woefully ignorant, you’re correct.

        This is the thing people keep missing with those prior experiments; their limited nature insulated from the negative consequences of the devaluation of money because neighbouring communities were meta-stable under the current strategy.

        The second we have universal basic income, money will devalue until the significance of that money essentially trends towards zero in terms of impact.

        In other words, we’ll make the “free” money worthless, which will cause hyperinflation or require extreme market controls that traditionally haven’t done much but stifle economic activity.

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          5 hours ago

          Thank you for the validation!

          Do you have any recommendations on equitable policy we should champion? Would love to hear your thoughts!

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            2 hours ago

            I’ll admit that nothing I’ve come up with was something I couldn’t immediately poke gaping holes in.

            The problem with any economic system is that there are always weaknesses that knowledgable people can exploit if they’re not concerned with those who are hurt by the strain that exploitation adds to that system. Ultimately, the battle is the attempt to impart a near-universal understanding of the negatives and positives of greed and how to best control it to our mutual benefit.

            Capitalism is failing in this goal because it requires the promise of endless growth, but can’t meet this promise in the physical world, so now it must grow in the virtual/abstract sense. People’s control over their own lives and their access to society are quickly becoming a tiered subscription, instead of a goal we work towards of our own volition.

            Cynical capitalists might argue that this was always the case, but it was previously a consequence of a natural system instead of one engineered by an “owner class” to extract value for a select few that don’t have to participate to enjoy the rewards. Once we had passed the tipping point in which new businesses rarely grow to match existing mega-firms before being bought or crushed, we had essentially locked in the next generation of nobility.

            Really, we should be doing what we did in the beginning of the previous century; tax the hell out of the rich and get capital moving again (this, of course, solves nothing long-term).

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              1 hour ago

              What’s your take on our current markets trajectory when considering a globally aging population with a disproportionate share of wealth / participants heading towards being net beneficiaries rather than contributors?

              Personally I’m leaning toward inevitable collapse before you even attempt to factor geopolitical stability into the equation lol

              The land grabs and foreshadowing with focus on extractive and tangible economic development gives me a sense that some state actors also see similar writing on the wall .

              Curious on your thoughts :) thank you for the responses!

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                34 minutes ago

                Unfortunately, I think you’re right. As long as property can be owned indefinitely with inconsequential payments into the system (property tax), the race to own useful land will be the last chance for people to establish their own rent-seeking behaviour.

                Eventually, the bottom of the pyramid gets crushed or gives up trying to hold the rest of it up. Guess we’ll find out soon enough :(