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Im using these quotes to say yes, broadly liberals (democrats) have had a hand in the fascism of the US; of which has always been fascistic, but as the “left wing of fascism” has put on a smiling face to trick us.
As far as I’m concerned, “liberal” is the most meaningless word in the dictionary. History has shown me that as long as some white middle class people can live high on the hog, take vacations in Europe, send their children to private schools, and reap the benefits of their white skin privileges, then they are “liberals.” But when times get hard and money gets tight, they pull of that liberal mask and you’re talking to Adolf Hitler. They feel sorry for the so called under privileged just as long as they can maintain their own privileges
Assata Shakur, 1988 from Assata : An Autobiography
There’s also that Malcom X quote about liberals being the “smiling foxes.”
A quote about George Jackson’s politics :
For Jackson, echoing the prison writings of the Italian theorist Antonio Gramsci (an author whose translated writings were found in Jackson’s cell after his death), fascism referred chiefly to state-led economic development and the incorporation of organized labor.
In other words, for Jackson, fascism involved not only racist repression but also national development and reform. In this sense, the U.S. of the 1960s-70s was fertile fascist soil indeed. Such an expansive understanding of political domination may complicate and enrich antifascist sentiments percolating today around the defense of existing, often hard-won political liberties. Jackson forces us to rethink the distinctions between conservative and liberal administrations and to confront the legacies of even the New Deal and Great Society within a longer history of capitalism and U.S. imperialism.
Yes. The GOP could not win if there was anything oposition at all. Like, if the DNC promised to made the superbowl a national holiday they would have the senate and the the executive tied up. By refusing to do even thst they are knowingly facilitating the GOP
Of course not. They did everything in their power to stop his rise.
They didn’t promote his 2016 primary run because they thought it would make the election a shoo-in for Hillary if he won the nomination.
They didn’t ratfuck the only candidate who paid even lip-service to addressing the economic contradictions inherent to capitalism which immiserate the populace. They didn’t choose to run a corporate-owned, deeply unpopular warmonger instead. They ran a strong candidate who was universally beloved by Americans, someone who is so radiant and pure of heart that she is light itself.
They didn’t play into every provocation from Trump to act as part of his PR machine a la the Streisand effect.
They didn’t bungle governance for 4 years so badly that people were eager for a change.
They didn’t handle Covid worse than Trump and get far more people killed and disabled by it with their grand reopening.
They didn’t doggedly commit to genocide even knowing it would cost them votes in key battleground states.
The Democrats did nothing to help Trump rise to power and did everything they could to stop his rise, but Trump was too much of a political mastermind and he was willing to break rules to win. He’s only won because he lies and cheats, which the Democrats never do.
Frankly, it is concerning and problematic of you to even ask that question because everyone knows the answer is obviously “No”. Would you ask other questions where the answer is obviously no, such as “Does a bear not shit in the woods?”, “Did NATO expansion trigger Putin’s invasion of Ukraine?”, “should the US stop funding and arming Israel?”
I’m getting really strong Russian bot vibes from this poster. Mods, where are you? Why haven’t you banned this propagandist yet?
Just you wait, “/u/Dirt_Owl”, if that’s your real name – or should I say грязная сова – I’ve summoned the mods and they’ll soon deport you back to RuZZia.
I understand the criticisms of the democrats and have often made them myself, but sometimes I worry that the focus on the dems diminishes the agency of the actual Trump supporters.
The dems didn’t conjure up the settler colonial ideology in 2016. The dems didn’t create wholesale a legacy of racism, colonialism and genocide in 2016. White Americans were not some pure innocent race tempted into evil by Hillary Clinton.
The dems’ role in the rise of trump is more of a “just the way it happened to play out.” As capitalism and empire collapse, climate crisis is ramped up, a figure like Trump in the American landscape was an inevitability. The dems have nothing to do with this, at least not any exceptional role. But the fact that it was Trump in 2016 - the fact that it happened how it happened - that’s the dem’s fault. But it wouldn’t have happened at all, even if the dems did everything the same, if the US populace had not been primed for the entire country’s history to embrace fascist rhetoric. The dems should be criticized for the actions they did take, and the dems and liberals in general should continue to be criticized for inaction. But in terms of the rise of trump, I just find the focus on the dems sort of useless, as if shitty electoral strategy allows us to ignore the entirety of settler colonial and fascist ideology that’s baked into the American landscape.
Nah, that letting them set the terms. Yes, if the DNC is not allowed to meaningfully use power than their hands are tied. However, the ontl reason they have that rule is because they want to let the GOP win. So no. That’s all fake.
Don’t understand what you’re trying to say
You are wrong. If we assume the DNC is acting in good faith and not lying to you your position makes sense. However we have no reason to assume they are anything other than untrustworthy mass murderers
Agreed
Who else to blame? They had power. Their usage of the power led them to this.
yesIf
didn’t make the stupid joke at correspondence dinner Trump might still be a Democratic party donorThe bombing people one? No judgment if that was the line, just curious how that tipped you over the edge?
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
The Democrats deserve blame in a “men make their own history but they do not make it as they please” sort of way. The bourgeois state can allow tolerate a certain range of options. And that range only narrows and neoliberalism enters its death spiral and the rate of profit falls without an obvious way out. The Democrats could try to actually become a party of the working class, but the capitalists would try to destroy them. Or if they succeeded, I genuinely believe you’d see a coup a la Chile in 1973.
That doesn’t excuse the Democrats, though. They are fully leaning into this.
only in the most direct and literal senses.
I think the chief blame of an evil act lies with the person doing that act. Obviously the DNC is culpable for the genocide they helped commit. In terms of Trump, though, the DNC is just emblematic of the failures that rendered us unwilling to stop him. I think there’s a difference in them holding the blame on this particular issue vs them deserving our resentment on it. I don’t resent Trump in the same way that I don’t resent the sun for burning me when I stay out too long. He said what he was going to do and now he’s doing it. I resent the company that sold me faulty sunscreen, took away my shade, and told me to be grateful for the privilege.
Entirely? No. The contribution they made was pretty staggering tho
If Democrats hadn’t cheated in 2016, Bernie would have won in 2016 and 2020.
If Democrats hadn’t cheated in 2020, Bernie would have won in 2020 and 2024.
Simple as
I don’t think Bernie would’ve had two terms, he would’ve face constant attack from the media and both parties, and literally 0 of his planned “make the boot of capital stomp slightly less hard” strategies would’ve actually been passed, and the media would be calling him a failure nonstop and saying “this is what happens when you elect a socialist.”
Alternatively, Bernie being malleable imperialist succdem would do what every succdem ever do when elected and he would be a second coming of Obama.
I guess it depends heavily on how quickly he folds. He would either pay lip service to social policy (and be vilified) or abandon it entirely and lose popular support even as the media praises him for “reaching across the aisle”
Yeah, in case such like this i remember Roosevelt New Deal that was aimed at saving capitalism, but the capitalist hated him so much they tried to coup him. So obligatory reminder that ruling class is not monolithic and not entirely rational even in case of their class interests (as the election of Trump also clearly shows!).
“I saved them and they never forgiven me for this” (to paraphrase Zhukov famous saying)
when the history books are written, they will bear at least 49% of the blame for all of this… personally, I would say it’s more
No but they should have played hardbal when they had the chance. They had the numbers; they could have passed laws to prevent a stanky ass old fascist from fucking this country up.
Knowing that senile old Nazi was getting the office back, I feel like the Dems had a DUTY to push thru as many guardrail laws as possible. Biden should have announced felons cannot run for president if they can’t even vote.
Ofc we’ve seen what king shithead thinks about all these rules— apparently they don’t apply to him…
Biden should have announced felons cannot run for president if they can’t even vote.
Nah, this ain’t it.
You could’ve also said ”yes, Democrats are to blame” because that’s what your post really amounted to.
It was their briber approved Explicit strategy.
They used him to dump their own dirty laundry on and as a shield and excuse for completely abandoning “Teh Left”, and it was a project in the making since before
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
