In exchange for the resettling of Palestinians, the administration would potentially release to Libya billions of dollars of funds that the U.S. froze more than a decade ago, those three people said.

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    The hell it would have. To say that the fate of Gaza would have been the same is absolute horseshit.

    Democrats lost the election because a bunch of shitheel Muricans decided to stay home.

    It’s our fault and fuck y’all for trying to blame Democrats for not inspiring people to protect marginalized groups.

    Dems suck but so does the general population that refuses to take any responsibility for their part in making this happen.

    If you need a god damn politician to inspire you to think beyond yourself, you fuckin suck and are trash.

    Over it.

    Edit: I’m not responding to any more of you kids who are trying to justify sitting on your asses. None of you have helped save a single Palestinian life.

    You’re just spoiled Americunts who think you’re superheroes for doing nothing

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      I voted for Harris and I blame the democrats. They knew the stakes, they know the populist moment we’re in, and they decided that their best strategy was to take all the excitement and buzz of the new Kamala candidacy and say “we’re not going to really change anything; if things suck for you, no they don’t, actually, you’re just stupid lol; anyway, look, here’s Katy Perry and Barack Obama lecturing down to a bunch of black men.” The DNC twisted Kamala’s arm to make sure she didn’t insult Biden by saying she’d do anything different, because protecting the feefees of long standing and well regarded party members is more important than winning or getting shot done. The DNC decided to stack Kamala’s campaign with the same staff that lost the HRC campaign. Nobody made them decide that celebrity guest appearances were more important than proposing actually good changes to get out the vote, but here we are.

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      What evidence do you have for your claim that things are worse in Gaza under Trump than they were under the Biden/Kamala path?

      Note, rhetoric is not evidence. Trump lies all the time. Biden lies all the time. Trump says he would like the US to ethnically cleanse Gaza, but he’s taken no actual steps towards that end. And Biden also tried to negotiate resettlement of the Gazans to other countries.

      All I’m seeing here are vibe. You see someone who is objectively a bad human being, and you decide that they must be the worst possible person on Earth for every conceivable category. Trump can be far worse domestically than Biden while still being equivalent to him in terms of Palestine.

      So again, don’t quote me rhetoric. I don’t care about Trump’s verbal diarrhea. What actual material things can you point to that are different from what Biden was allowing without any resistance? Because I think you’re mostly just going on vibes.

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        You’re asking me to compare Biden and Trump.

        Was Biden or Kamala talking about how great it would be to have a resort on the beach there, oh wait. That’s rhetoric, and in no way is that a reflection of their actions or intentions.

        Where y’all at now, anyway? Haven’t seen any of you protesting lately. Don’t you still give a shit, or has the talking point you used to stay at home done it’s job?

        I don’t owe you a god damn thing.

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      There’s absolutely no evidence that Harris getting elected would have done fuck all for Palestine.

      Democrats lost because a lot of people who voted for Biden in 2020 voted for Trump in 2024. This was due to a perception of a majority of voters that Trump was going to do a better job on the economy, immigration, and foreign policy.

      When you look at the polling data, the genocide of Palestinians does not rank high at all, even among Democrats.

      Stop blaming people for what they do with their vote. That’s the entire fucking point of a democracy. Hold the right people accountable for thinking they could coast to victory on a strategy of “not being Trump”.

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      You’re rewriting history. People stayed home because they refused to vote for genocide, and that’s what Democrats offered unapologetically. You don’t get to blame the voter for not choosing between genocide or genocide plus, you’re not morally superior for voting for Harris.

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        Side note: while the Gaza genocide was absolutely a factor for many people, I really don’t think most of the voting base used that as the basis for their vote (or for staying home). Americans by and large have become wildly selfish and egocentric, as a society (and I say that as an American who does their best to be an outlier in that regard). I really do think that the biggest determinant of a person staying home was fatigue at the status quo, and a couple of years of 10% inflation alongside the fact that everyone in the DNC was trumpeting about how great the economy was doing, while a VERY large percentage of the populace had lived through at least two “once in a lifetime” economic crises, and the playing field continues to get visibly worse as time goes on.

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        Then vote for a third party, and make your voice heard. If 10% of the vote went to an anti-genocide party, at least next time Democrats would realise that being pro-genocide is bad for them.

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          Then vote for a third party, and make your voice heard. If 10% of the vote went to an anti-genocide party, at least next time Democrats would realise that being pro-genocide is bad for them.

          They already realize it and don’t care.

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        Yes I do. And yes I am.

        You said “I don’t care what the trolley does because this test isn’t moral”

        The rest of us actually made a choice.

        Get fucked. You helped put my trans son in danger and I don’t fuck with ANY of you fucks cosplaying as revolutionaries.

        You’re children.

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          I’m trans. I voted for Kamala, but I have zero hate on anyone who didn’t due to Gaza.

          The Democrat’s problem isn’t just Gaza. It’s what the enabling of a genocide signals and means. If you will enable a literal ethnic cleansing, what won’t you do? You’ve literally already elevated things to full-on Hitlerian levels. If you’re willing to do that for political power, there is nothing you won’t do.

          And as we’ve seen recently, Democrats have frequently thrown trans people under the bus. Even Kamala didn’t even try to refute the endless barrage of anti-trans ads thrown by the Republicans.

          When asked if she supported trans care for inmates, do you know what she said? She said, “we’ll follow the law.” She was defending her past actions as California attorney general to provide trans prisoners gender-affirming healthcare. But when given the perfect opportunity to stand up for trans people everywhere, she said that she only did it because it’s what the law required of her.

          Someone who actually gave a shit about trans lives would never say something like that. Instead they would say, “of fucking course prisoners get trans healthcare. Trans healthcare is medically-necessary care. It saves lives. To deny someone that care or to force them to detransition is literal torture. We sentence people to prison. We don’t sentence them to torture. We give inmates gender-affirming healthcare because to do otherwise is cruel and unusual punishment.”

          That’s how you actually answer that question if you have an ounce of empathy in your soul for trans people or any understanding of the issue at all. If you make trans care some frivolous thing that can be denied to prisoners, then all trans identities are frivolous and undeserving of legal recognition or respect in any context.

          And there are far worse Democrats than Kamala. Plenty of centrist Dems are willing to throw trans people under the bus if they can earn cheap political points. It turns out that if you’re willing to support a literal genocide, then persecuting a small minority group isn’t that big an ask. Once you’ve committed murder, shoplifting isn’t something you think twice about.

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          Quit using your trans son as an excuse, you supported a pro-genocide party because you were willing to trade the lives of innocent palestinians to secure your own security and comfort.

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            Quit assuming literally everyone who voted blue loooooves genocide.

            I’m sorry you don’t have a sense of nuance in your life. Must be easy having a black and white existence.

            Get fucked, kid.

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              There’s no nuance to be had, you’re comfortable trading the lives of countless palestinians for your own comfort and safety, it’s actually just that simple. You deserve Trump and worse.