“next-gen” how? Valve is getting first dibs at the next AMD SoC as far I’ve heard, and that’s still a year or two away from release. Doubting this runs Nvidia, because Nintendo is kind of the single license for that at the moment, and it’s not cheap OR very performance per-watt compared to AMD.
Valve is getting first dibs at the next AMD SoC as far I’ve heard
This is huge if true, as Van Gogh (the Deck chip) was a seperate “line” than all the overly CPU-heavy laptop chips other handhelds are using at the moment.
Both sides have accidentally spilled the beans on this. AMD outed a new upcoming chip for their existing “handheld wins” (aka Steam Deck), Valve has confirmed they are already working on their next handheld, but then also said there “will be no Z2 Steam Deck” after AMD already outed their work on the next chip.
So that’s Valve getting a chip AMD has already confirmed they are working on, and no other manufacturers have mentioned or have the sales numbers to get AMD interested. That’s it right there.
Read my comment again. The only successful handheld as of now in this gen is the Deck. Nintendo doesn’t use AMD at the moment, so it’s not them, and nobody else has one.
Last I read, they’re in no hurry, but Valve and AMD are both ready to create a new chip like it once the tech has advanced enough that putting one together makes for a substantial boost in what you get for the same price and power envelope.
…once the tech has advanced enough that putting one together makes for a substantial boost in what you get for the same price and power envelope.
It already does.
Its more a question of economics of scale. Taping out a single custom chip is extremely expensive, like hundreds of millions of dollars before a single chip is sold.
AMD could make a custom Strix Halo SKU for Valve (think a 6-core X3D CCD, a 32-40CU GPU clocked low for efficiency) for much less. Perhaps something like that (a custom multi-die configuration of Strix Halo’s successor?) is what Valve opted for.
Yeah. But what I’m getting at is the economics may hint at what valve is planning.
Maybe AMD isn’t making a “specialized” monolithic die like Van Gogh? Perhaps Valve is simply customizing blocks of AMD’s existing product (die) stack, which is more financially plausible.
AFAIK one of the current issues with Strix Halo for a handheld would be high idle power, but maybe the next generation is better in that respect.
“next-gen” how? Valve is getting first dibs at the next AMD SoC as far I’ve heard, and that’s still a year or two away from release. Doubting this runs Nvidia, because Nintendo is kind of the single license for that at the moment, and it’s not cheap OR very performance per-watt compared to AMD.
Unreleased product with unannounced specs beats competitor currently or about to be sold. More news at 11 Tim.
This is huge if true, as Van Gogh (the Deck chip) was a seperate “line” than all the overly CPU-heavy laptop chips other handhelds are using at the moment.
Both sides have accidentally spilled the beans on this. AMD outed a new upcoming chip for their existing “handheld wins” (aka Steam Deck), Valve has confirmed they are already working on their next handheld, but then also said there “will be no Z2 Steam Deck” after AMD already outed their work on the next chip.
So that’s Valve getting a chip AMD has already confirmed they are working on, and no other manufacturers have mentioned or have the sales numbers to get AMD interested. That’s it right there.
https://www.gamesradar.com/platforms/pc-gaming/valve-shuts-down-steam-deck-2-speculation-as-amd-says-its-building-chips-for-a-stronger-handheld-there-is-and-will-be-no-z2-steam-deck/
valve standalone vr headset then?
Uhhh no one said that was for Steam Deck. Steam Deck did not use the Z1 chip so it would make sense they would also not use the Z2 chip.
Read my comment again. The only successful handheld as of now in this gen is the Deck. Nintendo doesn’t use AMD at the moment, so it’s not them, and nobody else has one.
Don’t be dense.
No need, I read it the first time. Still think it’s wrong. Or at least not backed up by any facts.
I don’t believe that’s true or they wouldn’t be already into the second gen devices. Certainly at best that’s just marketing from AMD.
Riiiight, so you read the part about them presenting it during their quarterly call, AND at a pressor event, and you’re still in denial. Coooool 😎
What is “it”? I have no motive to deny anything. Just doesn’t make any sense.
It’s absolutely true.
Last I read, they’re in no hurry, but Valve and AMD are both ready to create a new chip like it once the tech has advanced enough that putting one together makes for a substantial boost in what you get for the same price and power envelope.
It already does.
Its more a question of economics of scale. Taping out a single custom chip is extremely expensive, like hundreds of millions of dollars before a single chip is sold.
AMD could make a custom Strix Halo SKU for Valve (think a 6-core X3D CCD, a 32-40CU GPU clocked low for efficiency) for much less. Perhaps something like that (a custom multi-die configuration of Strix Halo’s successor?) is what Valve opted for.
Well yeah. But I used the word “substantial” together with the word “price”.
If the return ain’t worth it, it’s not “substantial” yet, and hence “It already does.” is a false statement.
Yeah. But what I’m getting at is the economics may hint at what valve is planning.
Maybe AMD isn’t making a “specialized” monolithic die like Van Gogh? Perhaps Valve is simply customizing blocks of AMD’s existing product (die) stack, which is more financially plausible.
AFAIK one of the current issues with Strix Halo for a handheld would be high idle power, but maybe the next generation is better in that respect.
I think they’ll do whatever makes sense.
I’m just saying Valve and AMD are on the same page about making it happen when and if it makes sense.
For now, the first steamdeck is still great.
The AMD chip they are using has “AI” in the model name.
did they shove a strix halo in it?
Lolz no, it’s just the XDNA. It’s going to be minimally useful at best.
wake me up when they shove a strix halo in