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    Andrew Schulz

    You might not know the name. But I bet you recognize what Kendrick said about him:

    Don’t let no white comedian talk about no Black woman, that’s law

    I know propaganda work for them, and fuck whoever that’s close to them

    But Bernie’s always went to where all the earballs are, he’s just trying to get the message out.

    And I think it’s important to point out by “party” Bernie is talking about elected politicians in leadership positions, not the DNC.

    Sanders echoed his woes, venting that even after losing the 2024 election, his colleagues still “won’t listen” to him about how to appeal to voters.

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    Singh interjected with another question: “But could we not also say, if there hasn’t been a fair primary for the Democrats since 2008, are they not also a threat to democracy?”

    “Fair enough,” Sanders answered. “I’m not gonna argue with that.”

    First off, the headline wasn’t Bernie’s words, he was just moving on from something a rightwing podcaster had said.

    2008 wasn’t a fair primary, Obama just won in spite of it. The DNC being biased against him not only in the primary but the general is why Obama didn’t appoint a DNC chair, so the neoliberals maintained their death grip on the DNC till just a few months ago.

    But Obama refusing to nominate a chair was probably his biggest mistake, one we’re still paying for.

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      Also important to note that Bernie defends voting for Democrats in this interview.

      “Because it’s easy to say,” said Sanders. “But ‘burning it down’ means children will not have food to eat. The schools will deteriorate. People will not have healthcare. I’m an elected official. I’ve got to represent the people. I can’t turn my back on them.”

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        Like Nina Turner said…

        “It’s like saying to somebody, ‘You have a bowl of shit in front of you, and all you’ve got to do is eat half of it instead of the whole thing,’” about the choice between Biden and Trump. “It’s still shit.”

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        Yeah, had that part in to begin with but figured it was already too long for people to read all of it.

        I’m not gonna watch the interview because I have more issues with Schulz than just what Kendrick was talking about.

        But this wasn’t just twisting Bernie’s words like normal, there’s a mountain of difference between “I agree” and “I’m not going to argue that”.

        Like, if trump got life imprisonment for killing Santa, I’m not gonna argue with it, but that’s not the same as agreeing he did it.

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      Obama’s biggest mistake was promising system wide change and only tinkering at the edges. His presidency was a failure because it continued with the neoliberal bullshit instead of responding to 2008 with forceful reforms.

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        If Obama had seated a progressive or even nonbiased chair then it would have been Bernie 2016/2020, and a very good chance we stretched it to another progressive in 2024.

        Obama did a lot of things wrong, but just leaving Hillary’s people in charge of the DNC snowballed into trump and everything else that’s been fucked up the last decade.

        And there was zero besides spite. He thought without him the DNC would die, but he never tried to replace it with anything. He was just mad they were biased on the primary and didn’t help him in the general.

        It was the first sign that everything else was bullshit. That he valued his ego more than doing his job.

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          That’s wishful thinking or hindsight at best. Bernie would not have won 2016. The voters at the time were already drunk on burning the place down.

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            1. I disagree, and despite polling being on my side that Bernie would have won, it’s kind of a moot point because:

            2. If Hillary wouldn’t have been cooperating with the DNC to such a level that she was funding them and they had to get everything approved by her campaign, she likely would have focused on the primary and wouldn’t have talked trump into running and goosed his primary campaign.

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        When a Dem wins the general, they “nominate” a chair to the DNC, and the DNC could technically go against it, but the vote is largely performative.

        When a Republican wins, there’s no nomination and they just vote.

        Obama didn’t nominate anyone, and the entrenched neoliberals held on like they did in 2016.

        That’s why it’s so huge that when the DNC held a vote again, they went for the guy who doesn’t show any bias and locked down a purple state into a state filled with some of our most progressive politicians. They could have went back to the neoliberals like they have for decades, but they didnt.

        The DNC learned their lesson, we’re going to get a fair primary, which means the general will be a cakewalk

        Also why there’s a huge push from mainstream media against the DNC, they’re already trying to depress turnout in the Dem primary in 3 years, because they’d rather risk a Republican than a progressive.

        Don’t fall for it