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Every argument against socialism can be dismantled and solved somehow. It just requires that you dream, imagine a better world. That you are a little idealistic and optimistic.

If you think it would reduce innovation: State funded startups, requirement is that the company is democratically controlled by the employees, and that the employees own the company, or that the state owns 49% of it. Or some other split between state, founder and employees.

If you think this is a bad idea, then maybe you can imagine something else? Or some middle ground between today’s brutal capitalist solution and the thing I proposed?

People would just use up all the resources even if they don’t need it. Okay, then we limit the consumption per person. Or we still have some money, and you buy the luxuries with that money. So that people still have to prioritize.

Also, if you think a planned economy is bad, what would you call the logistics and planning of Amazon, or even Temu (Just the logistics and planning part, not quality)? It is possible to plan for needs. You just start with making the basic services free, and gradually adds more options of products and services. You track trends in consumption and increase or decrease based on demand.

Socialism or communism isn’t a finished ideology, we don’t have a template. Establishing systems would take creativity and thorough planning. So yours and everyone else’s imagination would shape that future.

  • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
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    3 days ago

    Socialism or communism isn’t a finished ideology, we don’t have a template.

    That’s probably the most valid reason to be against it in practice. Most people don’t want to gamble with an unfinished ideology when it comes to the foundation of their society.

    Not that I’m against socialism myself, I’m for it. But implementing it requires a sound, established framework. “Revolt first, figure out the replacement later” is not a compelling proposition after high-school or so.

    • Thebigguy@lemmy.mlEnglish
      3·
      3 days ago

      I think OP made a poor argument, with that point is liberalism a finished ideology? I don’t think any ideology is ever „complete“ when most normies are presented with some kind of Marxist thought they are usually intrigued.

  • Nakoichi [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    6·
    3 days ago

    On the topic of innovation you kinda missed the biggest point of all: Every major technological development in the last 100 years has been developed with public funds. Capitalism doesn’t breed innovation, it patents and privatizes innovation for the purpose of greater exploitation.