It’s not a description, it’s a legal term. If they claim it is a hate-crime they have to be able to prove they had a specific motivation which can be difficult.
They beat a person near to death for looking too man-ish and being in the women’s bathroom. I don’t think hate crime will be a hard thing to prove here.
Remember, some of the jury will probably be at least loosely against lesbians or trans people. If all you have is she said, he said, those people won’t convict for a hate crime. But if you stick to just the beating, which doesn’t need to prive a motive, they would vote to convict. It sucks, but that is what a jury of your peers means.
why else would a group of boys beat a woman almost to death? i’m sure there’s witnesses and security video showing it started over the bathroom.
in this great nation, they’re happy to charge you with multiple excessive charges and then drop some during the plea bargain.
in this case: Assault with intent to do great bodily harm less than death, and hate crime modification… two felonies…. being able to perfectly prove it comes later….
oh hehe, so fucking clever.
go ahead and pretend like you don’t know what i mean… i won’t be arguing with a disingenuous person like yourself.
(if you’re actually that stupid, it’s about likelihood, not “it’s never happened ever so never ever could times infinity”.
two boys attacked one woman, in a mcdonald’s, with no provocation, interaction, or plausible reason other than she used the bathroom and wasn’t feminine enough so they thought she was trans. Words were exchanged that betrayed their motives.
the “why else” has, throughout history, been for robbery or sexual assault… or occasionally a single person with mental illness, not a pair of men them…. i’m not advocating for a conviction, i’m advocating for criminal charges, the nitty gritty can be sussed out in court)
Not sure what youre being so defensive about. You made a wrong assumption which in no way would hold up in court, thats what they pointed out. Youre making it sound like winning a case is the same as solving a math equation, but its not. In many cases it is very complicated and legal moves need to have a solid basis.
Your reaction is very childish and its only purpose was to mask your unknowingness.
Im not even sure you understood the point they were trying to make. Guys beating up women happens a lot (at least a lot more often than it should) and most of the time for reasons other than homophobia.
Y’all down there in Red White and Stupid land can complain all you want about “yanks” meaning all the US considering you’ve co-opted “American” to mean the same thing.
What else could they possibly classify it as?
Patriotic duty? Half this country is so horribly hateful.
Closer to a third, another third is sane, and then there are the idiots that didn’t vote they deserve their fair share of criticism as well.
5 of the idiots that didn’t vote seen your comment and must have had their feelings hurt.
Good.
At least the people in Gaza are safe now.
So safe. So glad staying at home worked.
I like you
Every day I’m made ever more grateful that I’m not 'Murican
It’s not a description, it’s a legal term. If they claim it is a hate-crime they have to be able to prove they had a specific motivation which can be difficult.
They beat a person near to death for looking too man-ish and being in the women’s bathroom. I don’t think hate crime will be a hard thing to prove here.
Yeah just like it wouldnt be hard to prove cops killing innocents when there is literal video evidence, yet we know how thats working out.
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Remember, some of the jury will probably be at least loosely against lesbians or trans people. If all you have is she said, he said, those people won’t convict for a hate crime. But if you stick to just the beating, which doesn’t need to prive a motive, they would vote to convict. It sucks, but that is what a jury of your peers means.
Oh, I know
I said as much further down
The legal burden of proof is fraught
My initial reaction was born of frustration and disgust at what had happened
why else would a group of boys beat a woman almost to death? i’m sure there’s witnesses and security video showing it started over the bathroom.
in this great nation, they’re happy to charge you with multiple excessive charges and then drop some during the plea bargain.
in this case: Assault with intent to do great bodily harm less than death, and hate crime modification… two felonies…. being able to perfectly prove it comes later….
You make an excellent point - it’s never happened before for any other reason.
oh hehe, so fucking clever.
go ahead and pretend like you don’t know what i mean… i won’t be arguing with a disingenuous person like yourself.
(if you’re actually that stupid, it’s about likelihood, not “it’s never happened ever so never ever could times infinity”.
two boys attacked one woman, in a mcdonald’s, with no provocation, interaction, or plausible reason other than she used the bathroom and wasn’t feminine enough so they thought she was trans. Words were exchanged that betrayed their motives.
the “why else” has, throughout history, been for robbery or sexual assault… or occasionally a single person with mental illness, not a pair of men them…. i’m not advocating for a conviction, i’m advocating for criminal charges, the nitty gritty can be sussed out in court)
Not sure what youre being so defensive about. You made a wrong assumption which in no way would hold up in court, thats what they pointed out. Youre making it sound like winning a case is the same as solving a math equation, but its not. In many cases it is very complicated and legal moves need to have a solid basis.
Your reaction is very childish and its only purpose was to mask your unknowingness.
Im not even sure you understood the point they were trying to make. Guys beating up women happens a lot (at least a lot more often than it should) and most of the time for reasons other than homophobia.
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Fucking seriously!!! What is there to weight?!
Sadly, the odds of getting a conviction
They can easily get assault, but a hate crime requires proving intent and having a jury sympathetic to the victim
It’s a shitty situation
Sounds open-and-shut hate crime to me.
Now convince a jury of stupid, ignorant yanks of that.
Edit: I live in Australia
To us, you’re all “Seppos”
Septic-Tank>Yank
Yanks are from the northeast, which is generally fiscally conservative and socially progressive.
There are no Yanks in Illinois. That’s the Midwest. We’re in the Northeast (though ignorance is not regional).
I live in Australia,
I was unaware of your regional differences with that word!
We use it to describe all of you
Canada too.
Y’all down there in Red White and Stupid land can complain all you want about “yanks” meaning all the US considering you’ve co-opted “American” to mean the same thing.
They don’t understand that we mean it like “Yanqui”, as in, imperialists.
Yeah, why is there even a question about this?
Can’t they charge and try for multiple counts?
I dunno, maybe
Hopefully.