Welp. It’s time for Tesla workers to unionize, and hard
Won’t happen in Texas. There are so many people in this state convinced that unions are a horrible evil. Then they complain about how their job mistreats them, doesn’t pay them enough, etc, etc, etc. You know, all the problems a union fixes. These people here are the very definition of sheeple.
Howdy, partner. 🤠
Who is this message even for? Not the workers obviously. Does it instill the investors with confidence? “Production is so poorly managed and staffed that we have to rely on people working overtime.” Does it increase demand? “Come buy these vehicles assembled by overworked, sleep-deprived line workers, hope it works out if you get in an wreck!” It’s entirely for his own ego.
That’s a weird way of bragging about understaffing leading to overwork, but I guess it explains why they can’t kick those quality issues.
Statements like that are just going to make it easier for the UAW to unionise those plants. Union factory workers don’t sleep on the floor.
That does make a compelling campaign slogan. While I assume Musk’s statement should not be taken literally, IIRC he made similar statements about Twitter. Shortly after, there were countless reports of how awful it suddenly became to work at Twitter.
You’re actually right, this would look great on a poster. I hadn’t even considered that, it was just a statement of fact.
Delivered 4 - 8 years later, $25,000 more, 50 mile range, no screen and a radio tuned only to a station where his favorite coward of the moment reads their abhorent tweets
You’re right and I agree, but on another note, it’d be nice if vehicles in general could be made with no screen again.
“We really need the engineers to be living on the line. This is not sort of an off-the-shelf ‘it just works’ type of thing,” Musk said. “That will be a challenging production ramp […] we’ll be sleeping on the line, practically. Not practically, we will be,” he added.
Man, can this guy rally the troops or what? With sentiment like this, who needs a pep rally or company retreat? /s
Worst. Boss. Ever.
I would for a price. I’ve done a few hard years. The issue is that he’s likely not making it voluntary and not compensating people for the sacrifice.
I can actually see this working for some people who have been heavily indoctrinated their entire adult professional careers. For instance, some people who join the military. When you’re used to sleeping when you can and missing sleep for watch or what have you, you’re already used to being mistreated. As a result it’s easier to lure you with supposed perks that make up for the mistreatment. .
I would hope it doesn’t work for the majority, but I’m not gonna lie, the number of people working in the service industry suggests that my hope is misplaced.
Man i don’t wanna buy a car made by people who aren’t sleeping in a bed. Come on, now.
Tesla’s quality control is already shit.
Imagine how much worse it could get if the workers are even more sleep deprived.
There’s a concept of paid slaves.
Lots of interesting articles and research talking about the problem of many CEOs exhibiting psychopathic traits but it being accepted. For example.
https://fortune.com/2021/06/06/corporate-psychopaths-business-leadership-csr/
“Our culture also glorifies and rewards successful leaders who may lie somewhere on the spectrum of psychopathy or who, if not actually psychopathic, nevertheless display traits that psychopathic individuals frequently have. The problem, of course, is that while psychopaths may have a lot of charisma and creativity, they may also lack, as already mentioned, socially important qualities such as empathy and morality.”
Yup. Sadly, having broken moral compass and lacking empathy can be obscenely profitable in the right circles. I honestly think that’s all that is propping these guys up anymore.
Also, we used to attribute “boldness” to psycopaths/sociopaths but it turns out that’s bunk and they’re really “just mean”. So the apologists out there have, yet again, one less thing to work with. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/202201/no-there-are-no-benefits-psychopathy
Yeah this is why there is so much suffering under capitalism.
The key thing is that it’s not our culture, it’s the material interests of the rich that elevate psychopaths to power. The culture follows.
This country was founded on rich assholes who didnt like the monarchy. It’s always been about greed. You think the starving plebs gave a fuck about tea in a harbor?
You say that as if capitalism doesn’t exist outside of the USA.
Yeah, it does exist elsewhere; I think the point they’re making is that it is apparent the United States was founded specifically for the interests of landowning (and slave owning) rich people. While not unique globally, the USA was probably the first country intentionally founded to protect the capitalist instead of the nobility or a religious group.
And as we saw with the “My 0th Blender Model (because we all know your first model is a somewhat decent donut),” these people have no creativity.
i saw a tesla truck today for the first time and it looked stupid. its seriously like something from a 90s 3d tank game
My pinewood derby car as a Cub scout looks very similar
I think that’s the point. It hits a similar group as those old mini trucks (eg S10) from the 90s that get tricked out.
It looks like it came straight of a cheesy 80s B movie called Megaforce.
OMG I want one of those!
He does know he can just hire more people and have them work shifts, right?
He is well aware. But if he did that he’d make maybe one tenth of a percent less and we can’t have that!
Even if I was working there still: Fuck that. I’d rather sleep in my car. At least it’s warm and soft unlike the concrete on the factory floor that’s covered in metal shavings and dropped screws. Plenty of people I met there did just that because it was easier to just stay there all week and only go back home over the weekend cuz home was like a 4 hour drive away on a good day.
But I mean… There are way better jobs. And if you’re a contractor (which is like 90% of the workforce there): you ain’t getting a permanent position, lol. Fr. You’re just gonna be used up and tossed aside and I know the pay isn’t worth it. Might as well be a McDonald’s janitor for the same pay. At least you ain’t gonna fuck your back and knees all up or work more than 8 hours.
I mean, if you’re required to stay there that’d be some mad overtime pay where I’m at: first 8hr at 1xpay, next 4hr at 1.5xpay, then everything after that is 2xpay.
I can’t say I wouldn’t consider it.
I doubt the regions this may be required in will have such labor friendly laws though…
According to another comment the workers are 90 percent independent contractors being abused. So no extra pay.
Somehow I’m not surprised… Fuck Tesla.
Sleeping there isn’t necessarily working though. It’s having the right amount of engineers on site so they can immediately fix things vs waiting until the next day.
So it’s like being on call, except you have to be there.
I feel like that deserves way more than an on call wage, but also not as much as a over time working wage until they work?
As long as I’m paid appropriately though I’d do it for at least a short period.
If your company requires you to be on site for any reason, it’s work. I don’t care if the employee needs to be there just in case and put his thumbs in his bum for 12 hours.
That’s not true. But you get all the upvotes and I get all the downvotes.
Emphasis below is mine.
What is on-call pay?
According to the U.S Department of Labor, an employee qualifies for on-call pay if they are required to be in the work premises awaiting substantive work, if and when the work becomes available. Alternatively, an employee is also said to be on-call pay if they are at home waiting for work to come up so that they are engaged. On-call pay also applies to cases where an employee is required not to stray away from their places of work as they wait to be engaged.
Those engineers will be considered on-call unless they are working. It’s up to Tesla to compensate them as per the law, or better, to encourage their participation.
Don’t buy that crap. 'nuff said.
I have a buddy with a bumper sticker that says “I bought this beforehe was crazy”
How about… No…
Spoiler: it won’t be $25,000.
I do t think musk will get his 25 either
In related news, Musk gave Tesla an ultimatum earlier this month: increase his ownership in the company to 25% or he will cut back on its development of AI and robotics The billionaire already owns 13% of the EV giant, or approximately 411 million shares. However, it seems he won’t be happy unless he’s awarded another 12%.
Another ridiculous thing, the article says this new model might comes without steering wheel or pedals… .his self driving is no where near ready for that, especially since he cheaps out and uses cameras on high end models, the cheap one is going to have even worse cameras instead of the lidar they should all have
Give me more of the company or I’ll destroy the company
…or I’ll continue to destroy the company
Musk is shook over that earnings report. His house of cards is falling down and he doesn’t have enough rockets to keep it up. Tesla, Boring, Twitter – all failing.
