Importing workers to make 16.84/hr. Just what American is going to accept that kind of wage when the boss is getting grants of hundreds of thousands of dollars?
The immigrant would have to work 11,876 hours to earn the 200k handout that the boss gets for hiring him seasonally for two years. How is this sustainable? Are we all going to be working to subsidize farmers by 100k/year to hire a single foreign farmhand?
Not to mention the program for that grant has only 141 members… it just doesn’t make sense.
OK, so, I live in farm country and there’s some problems with what your saying. 1. It’s actually good pay. In fact some farmers have tried raising the pay to attract more workers, it rarely works. Farms are in the middle of nowhere. There’s no city. MAYBE there’s a post office and a store that sells exclusively Croation gass station fare. MAYBE. It’s temporary work. You get a few months pay. So. Remote, physically demanding, and temporary. That’s what makes it a ‘‘no thanks’’ job for every American. We live hand to mouth, we live in a stack of cards that requires constant payments. That’s not a problem in Latin America for the most part, they live hand to mouth but they can save up money, they are maxed out on payments and debt, they just throw extra money in a jar and only live of what they really really need. So working a few months in the US, then Canada, then Mexico, it’s OK. That’s why they’re called seasonal farm workers. When you close to boarders you trap them out of their job and create insane problems. I don’t know why Americans can’t figure out how the food gets to the Walmart, but they have been failing up grasp this for a long ass time.
You’re not gaslighting anyone into thinking $17 an hour is worth much of anything. What the fuck does “some farmers have tried raising the pay to attract more workers, it rarely works” mean?? Oh no, farms are paying more, better not work there. Are you retarded? You don’t see rednecks passing up oilfield work because it’s out in the middle of nowhere. Couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the six figure paychecks those jobs have. Nope. Hell, I bet if you dropped their pay to $17 an hour, every roughneck in the field would sprint as fast as they could over to thank you personally. What a fuckin genius idea.
I thought that Covid would have been enough of a trial run for that.
At least in my country it was that. You know, it was Covid, with the highest unemployment rate since quite a long time, and farmers ran nation-wide ads looking for workers. They increased the pay sometimes up to 2-3x. They promised housing in nice hotels. And still, nobody wanted to do the job and that year there was just no strawberries on the shelves.
The only way working as a farm hand makes sense is if:
- The workers have no decent other option
- Working on a farm is safer than working at home
- Money is worth a lot more where they are from, so that the meagre salary they make in the target country is worth multiple times of that back home, so that the €1000-1200 they make over here turn into the equivalent purchasing power of €4000-6000 back home.
I heard this story during his last administration. Assclowns never learn.
Well yeah. Turns out people who aren’t in fear of being deported won’t work for a fraction of minimum wage paid under the table.
I mean, it’s not so much the fear of deportation so much as the fact that lower wages go farther in Mexico. Most Mexicans who illegally immigrate do so simply because it makes economic sense. If the wages were so low that it didn’t make economic sense to them, then they would simply return to Mexico voluntarily.
They’ll start calling to use prison labor soon enough. Prisons are commercial facilities anyway and could use some cash. And there are more African American in prison proportionally so that’s a bonus for MAGA. Police will get their cut for putting more people in prison. That way the new racist slave labor gets established.
That’s definitely the plan, and they’ll be using private, for-profit prison companies. One is a facility in Louisiana that has been closed twice due to abuse and torture of inmates, and has been reopened as an ICE facility they’ve been stashing the students arrested for pro-Palestinian protests there. The Columbia student who just got released was being held there.
They are also building a 30,000 bed facility at Guantanamo Bay. The $250 million dollar contract has been awarded, and it’s underway. For context, the average maximum security prison hold 800-1200 people, with the largest in Angola, LA holding about 8400. So this new facility is nearly 4 times larger than the largest prison, which is already several times larger than average. Clearly, they intend to house MANY people there.
It’s my belief that they will eventually take the position that if you can’t stay actively employed (due to AI, robotics, automation, discrimination, etc.) and require the help of the government to survive, then they will house and feed you in exchange for renting you out as slave labor. That way, they can say they solved the homeless problems, even though all they did was turn them into slaves.
And the MAGA followers will go along with it, happy that the “parasites” are being forced to work. Besides, they’ve been hoping for slavery to return since 1865. The only legal slavery in America is prison labor, and like MAGA always does, they intend to exploit the shit out of that Amendment.
That is already happening at scale
Question: Are you getting great already?
Actually feeling far less great than any time in my fairly long life.
This is part of the plan. Small farms will be run out of business and then bought for a low price and consolidated by mega farms.
Big Agriculture wants this and lobbies for it to happen.
What a coincidence that the VP has a financial interest in independent farms going bankrupt.
I definitely believe this, but do you have a source I can point to for others?
The company is called AcreTrader
Snopes is appalling.
So Vance owns a fraction of a company that owns a fraction of a company that allows fractional ownership of farmland. They can only sell to accredited investors so the headline is false but snopes don’t have the balls to admit it.
I’m not saying he has no interest in making farmland cheap, but Tarrif insider knowledge is multiple times more profitable than trying to influence farmland prices through labor costs.
Something something Hilary Clinton and uranium. Funny how that was a big issue until it went through anyway and wasn’t. It’s almost as if these crooks aren’t serious
Another 80s reboot
In a place where local, legal help was nearly impossible to keep<’ the Post is reporting before adding, "But then Trump,
At least three typo mistakes in this article. The degree of publish-fast-don’t-edit in our “journalism” is off the scale. I hate it.
Anyway, this is what you voted for, asshole.
These red voting MAGA fucks were receiving grants to hire labor and they claim socialism is bad. I have zero sympathy for their problems and this is another classic FAFO situation.
they claim socialism is bad
They mean compassion for the out-groups.
Yes but if the farm work doesn’t get done you are looking at the next thing which will be the great American famine, which I expect somewhere this summer. If the US food production falters and importing food is made very expensive though tarriffs, Americans are not going to have enough food.
It’s going to be like post revolutionary China in so many ways.
AND ITS ALL BIDEN’S FAULT!
/S, so you don’t think I’m one of those MAGA Nazis who actually, truly believe that.
Good! No exploiters should be able to sustain their practices.
Well this is good
You can’t expect a good end for the net negative incentives all the collectivist immigrant policies created during this time. Here is the backlash.
Ironic for people that keep saying to have empathy for others, and yet everything they do keeps increasing human suffering.
Great idea guys
Yeah let’s allow everyone to enter the country. Where will they work, how will they provide for themselves? What do you say? Not our problem now!
Ah but y’all knew the incentive was already there. People desperate for work and people in need of cheap labor go hand in hand
An industry can’t be based on cheap exploited labor just like that
Now the guys who you hate have to undo what you did
Now they need to remove the incentive on why people come to the US in the first place and the ones related to companies not having actual consequences to hiring illegal inmigrants
Shit will get expensive? Sure, but it will be worth it right?
People will need to work more? Of course, every poor citizen of the us usually has to work their ass of. But now much more
The cheap food and goods festival over? Well, about time
The idea is so badly implemented… you have to raise back Unions and decent salaries, what they expecting is that actual born americans will do the same job for the same shit money that desperate migrants who have absolutely nothing.
So in essence they want the new slaves to be US born, yeah fuck that.
new slaves to be US born
Prison labor. And what minority is overrepresented in prison?
Society needs more unions period.
Fucking right, unions are for the people and any damn company that hates them is against giving people a working wage that gives them a life. PERIOD Fuck anti-union politicians! Power to the people!
I’m a medical student applying for residency this year, and the top program I’m interested in is at the top of my list partially because the residents have a union.
This called having the day you voted for
Repeat with me, class: There are no bad jobs, only bad conditions
No this can only be spoken by those in profound ignorance or utter stupidity. There are bad jobs. Go look up sewage cleaner in India. No amount of money is worth that. There will always be shit jobs.
Go look up sewage cleaner in India. No amount of money is worth that.
That’s just untrue. There is definitely some amount of money worth it.
For sure. If I got paid a million dollars a week I would do it for a couple weeks to then not have to work again the rest of my life lol. But seriously, there are lots of jobs that don’t pay what they should for how crappy the work is
Kind of a bad argument. “Look up sewage cleaner in India” implies that there are sewage cleaners elsewhere with better jobs. Making the problem with being a sewage cleaner in India a bad condition.
Ironically I agree with you. Some jobs are way better than others, making some jobs bad and some good. A garbage man will always be a worse job than an ice cream taste tester barring absurd caveats. it’s just funny to me that your argument explicitly implies a problem with job conditions.
No shit jobs only shit wages.
Time for Mexico to pump up its own agriculture to supply the goods that will be needed on the other side of the fence. Labor is plenty now.
Mexico and Canada have been investing in agricultural infrastructure for decades now. The only reason that the U.S. farmer can compete is due to shenanigans in import requirements. Imports are held to a much higher standard than domestic production. It’s why the majority of foodborne outbreaks are from American production.
American farmers have been conditioned to rely on cheap labor and expensive equipment. There’s been only been minor infrastructure investment since the 1970’s.
Without government subsidies and cheap labor, the majority of the farmers business models in the us is not sustainable.
Mexican farm produce at American farm prices. That’s how capitalism works, right?
Higher than American farm prices, what with the tarrifs
