You know, he is a sponge. Why isn’t he huge and blobby?
I thought he was a kitchen sponge that fell in the ocean and was irradiated to life because they live at the bottom of bikini atoll
He’s actually anorexic, but looks healthy because he’s water bloated
Comment ratings here are a war.
I’m about the Buddy positivity movement…
Meanie-meanie-meanie-meanie~! (Say what?!)
Mush brain rage bait. How many of these are bot made?
if we all weighed 300 lbs there would be less war
That meme is from iFunny.
I don’t know how to feel about that.
So many well read doctors on here willing to provide a nuanced picture of the data and issue. Quite impressive.
Countdown to the men’s rights activists on lemmy
I mean it didn’t take long for the new atheist types to spawn, or the classic neolibs, so I wouldn’t be surprised if more dookie ends up flooding the site. I’ve definitely seen some MRA shit here already. Any comic or meme underneath like, a woman’s experience being recounted, is sure to be full of it, and if you ever bring up disparities in men’s and women’s sexual assault, that’s also a pretty easy trigger.
What, you think they’re not already here?
I’m just shocked Lemmy hasn’t gone full incel. The TwoX sub some poor hopeful tried to start looked like that meme of Jerrys talking to each other.
I do see the incels rear their heads from time to time.
I had to close out of a thread regarding how FGM was on the rise again in a country in Africa, and I saw users likening it to male circumcision.
There was (presumably) a chick in the comments trying to explain why they’re not one in the same, and she was getting heavily down voted.
Like, yes, I think a lot of Lemmy users are against male circumcision as well (myself included), but it is NOT the same.
My circumcised husband can still orgasm, most women will not be able to at all without clitoral stimulation. It takes the pleasure out of sex for us and makes us simple brood mares.
And I’m always like “Jesus, this line of thinking is prevalent in a lefty place like Lemmy? No fucking wonder things like ‘Fresh&Fit’ are taking the youth by storm.”
Exactly. Circumcision is bad. It’s not a penectomy which is essentially what fgm usually is basically
Also unrelated, but you gave a wonderful username
Yes! I at first was trying to look at everything through the lens of “Maybe they just don’t know, maybe this is an education moment.” But the more and more I saw the user attempting to explain the difference between what parts are removed, the more and more people were making fun of them/downvoting them.
Also, thank you! I’m pretty partial to yours as well!
Yeah, like I’ve been opposed to male circumcision my whole life, ever since my mom taught me why she opposed it as a young child in the 90s. But objectively one is bad and the other is obviously worse unless you don’t consider women being unable to experience sexual pleasure to be worse than men having reduced sexual pleasure. Like that’s the difference here.
And like, I get being defensive about opposing male circumcision. I’ve been treated like a radical and a body shamer for it. But when we acknowledge that FGM as it is practiced in locations like Gambia is worse we aren’t saying that male circumcision is fine or that we don’t oppose it. We also shouldn’t make discussions about either about the other.
But yeah Lemmy is way more progressive and feminist than a network like it would’ve been even 10 years ago, but also there’s definitely an mra portion to it and I have to remind myself not to attempt to play chess with the pigeons.
Lemmy has mostly tech savvy people, which are either oldschool incel or LGBT+. There’s some regular people but those two demographics are quite predominant in the tech world, you know, the geeky bullied people trope and all.
In this case I’d say that since regular people side with lgtb usually, the incels are shut down quite fast.
It’s disturbing how being fatphobic is not a red flag like any other form of bigotry in this comment section.
I think fatphobia and other issues like it are pretty good indicators as to whether or not people are actually evaluating issues correctly from like, a whole perspective, a detached “what’s good for society, what should I be doing that’s good for society” kind of perspective, or if they’re just kind of going based on what’s socially acceptable, and what’s emotionally appealing. Based on shit like this, I’d say it’s pretty clear that we have a ways to go.
Is it me overweight? No, they are just fatphobic and bigots.
Just because someone is overweight, doesn’t give you the right to be a cunt to them. Overweight people know they are overweight. No need to make fun of them. It makes you an asshole.
Stop crying over a simple sponge bob meme. This is your life and your health. Do something about it instead of coming up with silly words like fatphobia to make yourself feel better.
Thats what you got out of my comment? That im crying?
“Don’t be a dick and don’t bully people.”
“Lolololol so triggered stop crying lol 😎”
Alright right wing cunt.
Do you need a tissue?
Do you live under a rock… Because you’re in denial, just like so many who are denying they’re morbidly obese. And despite warnings of health problems and risks… The obesity problem keeps rising. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States#%3A~%3Atext%3DThe_obesity_rate_has_steadily%2C17%25_of_children_were_obese.?wprov=sfla1
I’m not saying insulting is the right approach. But clearly this pro-obese movement people have been pushing is just as wrong.
Yes it is harmful to the people themselves. Then help them with kindness. Not by shitting on them and bullying and offending them. A lot of people are overweight because they are depressed. And just because there are a few people that think its healthy, doesn’t mean they all should be made fun of. Talk to those specific people directly instead of being a bully towards everyone.
I don’t see people being hateful like this towards people smoking.
Don’t be a dick. Its not that hard.
it’s disturbing how much people nowadays never did anything harder than getting up their bed in their entire life. Physical activity is a necessity. Its ok to be fat. Its not ok to be an antropomorphic equivalent of a truck.
I mean when people are that size there’s almost always some kind of additional disease at play. It seems crazy to be like “oh this truck sized man who has a metabolic disorder clearly just needs to pull up his bootstraps.”
The meme is bad faith. Its very obvious with a little thought that making fun of fat people isnt going to fix obesity.
Physical training literally cures methabolic disorders, except the genetic ones of course, good thing they are extremely rare. Vast majority of them are behavioral.
Moreover, I wasn’t judgemetall of obesity before I had met few people with weight problems. One of them even had problems with legs because of that. You know what he did about that? Right, not a damn thing, hasn’t even tried. Instead of that he chose only to complain about his poor legs all the time. He never tried to see a doctor, never tried to train. The more you defend this people, the more of them there will be. And of course every one of them claims that they have bad genes or something, except they self-diagnosed it to themselves, because its easier that way. Its always easier to do nothig but to pity yourself, and to look for other people to pity you.
Obese people are not all anthropomorphic trucks. Some of the obese people you caricature work very physical jobs, and work harder than you ever will in that cushy office job of yours (if applicable, but given that we’re on Lemmy… Chances are that it applies).
The first step towards not being a bigoted asshole is to look at reality as it is. Obese people are very diverse, there’s degrees in obesity. Some of them - mostly on MTV - are pathologically consuming heaps of unhealthy foods and look like balls of flesh straight out of a freak show. Others… don’t. Most of the real obese people I know get out of bed, go to work every morning and have fairly normal lives. My next-desk colleague even goes to the gym twice a week.
But yeah, in the mind of the dim-witted and the fatphobic cave dwellers, “being obese funny”.
there are degrees, and i never said otherwise. What i ment by “anthropomorphic equvalent of a truck” is exactly what you described - pathological consumers with a very unhealthy diet. I guess i have chosen my words poorly, therefore made my thought unclear. There are lots of fat people that are quite strong, and this is ok to me, as i said.
The part about physical activity wasn’t exactly about fat people though, rather about our modern society in general. A healthy diet with the correct balance, and moderate physical activity makes wonders, not simply in terms of weight. Those two things are grately underestimated. Those things were underestimated by me. After i started to be more physically active, my thoughts got clearer and i became much happier in general. And yeah, the best gym is a part-time job in a field, if you ask me. Actual gym sucks compared to it.
Unless the obese are a hitherto untapped source of entropy-defying free energy, your statements cannot be correct.
You need to go out and meet them. I promise it’ll be eye-opening.
Chances are they’re from an industrial nation with an obesity problem and they never think to wonder if maybe it’s the environment at fault
Lmao brutal
So true… But ifunny.co watermark
I wonder how long until lemmy.world goes mask-off full maga. And I wonder how many people will be surprised by it.
Legit hadn’t heard “found the fatty” for years until I came to this site.
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I’m certainly not seeing that. Could be I’m missing those posts. Could also be some, such as yourself, are expecting to see something and applying a label to explain it.
Sometimes a meme is just a meme.
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What? Sorry, I couldn’t hear you with your head in the sand.
Sometimes a meme is just a meme.
It’s just a meme bro. It’s just a prank dude. It’s just a joke mate.
Rare based meme on Lemmy 👑
The combination of a strawman argument and a fat joke is just…not particularly funny?
fat jokes are funny
fat jokes are funny
I’ve argued with people who claimed being overweight isn’t bad for your health. It’s not a common position, but it’s not exactly a strawman either. It’s more like focusing on the crazies.
That argument is likely a distortion of the medical argument which goes something like, “People who are overweight by the medical definition of BMI between 25 and 30 are not necessarily unhealthy. There are some circumstances such as being an athlete or genetics that are associated with denser body compositions. BMI is a crude tool that is useful for some things but should not be used on its own to indicate health status.”
BMI isn’t science. Its an almost 200 year old equation that was arbitrarily fitted to data. There is no go reason square ones height except that it fit the data. The cutoffs are arbitrary and, at least in the US, shifted in 1997.
And there is a growing body of evidence showing it’s not accurate for many cases in addition to the one you provided.
We have better indirect measure and far better direct measures for assessing disease progression and likelihood of disease development. Getting rid of BMI won’t stop fat shaming, but I hope it gives people pause.
I completely agree, we need to move on from BMI. But it’s a bit silly to say it’s BMI isn’t science when it’s been used for the entirety of modern health sciences. People would be shocked by how many crude, yet useful enough measures that health sciences use even today. And it’s notoriously slow/stubborn in adopting the best tools for many methods. Still, humanity has continued to make scientific progress with them.
Show me the science in the particulars and I’m happy to change my mind. Its widespread use in the modern medical system doesn’t make it scientific. We continue to use generally true ideas such as drink water and then wrench them into prescriptive positions like drink 8 cups of water per day. Literally no science to support that claim.
What science would change your mind? There’s never going to be a magical cutoff number for cholesterol or height or weight that separates healthy and not healthy.
Heuristics are useful tools and sometimes that’s the best you get. You need water to live, clogged arteries cause heart attacks, insulin resistance leads to diabetes. Exactly how much of any given thing causes bad outcomes is going to vary case by case, but doesn’t negate trends.
I say all this as a former wannabe body builder who hasn’t had a BMI under 25 in about 20 years, but I still know a BMI of 60 or 80 is no good.
I though I was clear about this, but I’ll reiterate.
- That the heuristic is accurate.
- That the heuristic is more accurate than other easily applied heuristics.
- That when the heuristic makes categories, the categories are backed by studies. These studies would show a statistical increase for specific health outcomes above this cutoff. That line would be tested relative to other proximal lines.
- These heuristics would include different recommendations for different populations such as race, biological sex, and age.
A better alternative, as I had previously linked to, would be abdominal fat as measured at the waist. Easy heuristic and closely correlated to CVD.
All of what you say is true, but you’re not address my particular issues.
I was talking about how widespread BMI is used in health sciences, I.e. everything from basic physiology to clinical trials to program evaluation to epidemiology. This is different from medical practice, e.g. family doctor taking your BMI. Whether it makes for good science or not, it’s use makes it part of science and replacing outdated tools is part of the broader scientific process–that doesn’t make the tools “not science”.
You’re asking about “accuracy” which is a good question, as well as “precision”. However in health sciences we usually evaluate such measures more thoroughly with similar concepts of validity (construct and discriminant) and reliability; you’ll also see sensitivity in the literature but it’s a kind of discriminant validity.
So if you do your own search using “BMI” and these terms on PubMed or even Google Scholar, you will find a range or scientific evidence. Most will say BMI is not good but not terrible, even good in some specific contexts. You will also find lots of evidence of how BMI is associated with other health indicators and health outcomes. I’m not going to spend an hour collating this for you. “Review” is also a useful search term. You seem smart enough to do it if you really want it. In any case, the argument is moot because we agree BMI should be replaced.
Edit: okay I was curious comparing BMI to WtHR and actually found a couple cherry-picked examples that might be interesting for you
https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/8/8/512
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2405457723021642
But the nature of straw man arguments is that since you are not citing someone who’s actually making that argument, there’s also not any way to refute it. “Somene somewhere is making a bad argument” doesn’t really mean anything. (What’s extra ironic is that this is an ad hominem attack against no one in particular)
Its not a strawman unles the bad argument is being misrepresented. Just because you don’t care to look for examples for fear of what you may find doesn’t mean that anyone who hasn’t thrown them at you up-front is engaging in a logical fallacy.
Read the meme again. “Explaining why weighting (sp) 300 pounds is healthier than every other lifestyle”. Is someone actually arguing it’s healthier than literally every other lifestyle? Are they doing it without qualifications? Did they not use some sort of logic to support their position? Or is the maker of this meme making an overly simplistic representation of an imagined argument someone might make, specifically chosen because it’s easy to refute? That’s what a strawman argument is. And they’re not even using good logic to argue against this fictional claim!
Is someone actually arguing it’s healthier than literally every other lifestyle?
yes, and
Are they doing it without qualifications? Did they not use some sort of logic to support their position?
you’re way overestimating how much thought people put into making memes lol
It’s a straw man because the meme references the entire body positivity movement (on Twitter), while the statement it refutes is only argued by a select few.
I’d say it’s closer to the Dicto Simpliciter fallacy. Essentially, starting with an unqualified statement and extrapolating to a more general statement. Examples would be things like “Exercise is good, so everyone should exercise” or “Online members of a group said something, so all members of that group agree” or “High BMI is unhealthy, so all people with high BMI are unhealthy”
It kinda becomes a strawman when the meme presents “healthy at every size” people as the average “body positivity” person.
*on Twitter
The meme says on Twitter, the place you can find every extreme and shitty opinion blasted loud and proud
Yes, the meme presents “healthy at every size” people as the average “body positivity” person… on twitter
Obviously you can find any poor opinion on twitter, but it is still strawmanning body positivity as HAES… on twitter
You will also notice the meme shows a sponge who lives in a pineapple under the sea, which is simply impossible.
What an intellectually dishonest reply. “It’s just a meme, it can’t have any meaning!” despite the fact that clearly everyone in the comments is able to understand and discuss the meaning.
How cowardly do you have to be to hide from simply saying you agree with meme.
Naw I was getting at how nit picky everyone was getting.
But damn, that’s wild that you went straight for intellectual dishonesty as an attack and then pull the coward card. Really escalated that quickly.
That’s a fair point.
The subtle rephrasing of “health at every size” as “healthy at every size” also doesn’t help.
Does that subtle rephrasing even matter to people who think both are trash?
And it doesn’t seem to have worked very well anyway since “health” consistently outranks “healthy”
Not to the people who are just fatphobic, but it definitely sows confusions. I’ve cleared it up with way too many people offline and on for it be just a rare misunderstanding.
I say, as I slowly roll over a 5 year old in my four door f150 “kids just don’t exercise anymore, they just stay in their houses and look at their phone” then I end my tiktok video.
