Is it really that bad? Had manjaro as daily driver for about 4 years and the only time I broke was when I tried dangerous stuff xD. The main argument I keep hearing, is the they had invalid certs on their site. Is there anything else? Back ten it seemed like a great ateway into arch. Not using arch BTW. :-P
I used it as a daily for about 2 years. The cert issues is just negligence but I had major package breaking and found the NVIDIA configuration they used to be broken.
Looked great and ran awesome on first install it felt like if you don’t update right away you’re gonna hurt.
Not really, the organisation behind Manjaro introduces a bug every two years or so (I think their software manager caused excessive requests to the Arch repos at one point?) and sometimes their website’s certificate renewal breaks for a few days, but that’s about it.
The biggest breakage problems occur when the AUR gets ahead of the Manjaro packages and compiles and upgrades fail, but they don’t leave you with an unbootable system unless you ignore a lot of warnings and try to force your way through a doomed upgrade.
It’s no worse than Arch, except installing Arch is so difficult that the people who don’t know why they broke their installs will veer off to another distro instead. Manjaro users also have a tendency to go to the Arch forums for support which annoys the Arch people for good reason, but I doubt they’d be any less annoyed if the people who couldn’t even be bothered to check if they’re on the right forum did install Arch.
Manjaro does tend to distribute code that’s nowhere near stable yet as part of their “standard” releases, which causes annoyances for others (notably the Asahi folks, because the ARM Apple CPUs were nowhere close to prime time yet when Manjaro announced Apple support based on Asahi) but the same can be said for Arch, or any Arch split-off like Endeavour, because bleeding edge support will always be painful for new software packages.
Even a non-aur build has broken for me. You cannot just take a snapshot of a bleeding edge distro and call it stable and then blame the end users when a normal operation like building from source breaks things (because that’s all the AUR really is. As long as you meet the dependencies, the software in the AUR should just work, I’ve used pkgbuild files to compile stuff from source and use on RHEL without issue)
I’ve been burned by Manjaro a few times, I refuse to let it go.
I’ve been running it for years, on a laptop with an Nvidia card no less. Manjaro seems to be more unstable than Ubuntu in terms of regular updates. Even with the AUR, you can just wait for the packages to get updated for the breakages to go away. Every major breakage I’ve encountered was either an upstream issue (yay, rolling releases!) or an AUR package not indicating its dependencies properly (producing errors like “libgarglesplurt.19.0.so not found” on startup). Arch installs have broken for me in the same way, usually at the same time.
If you’re complaining that building shit from source breaks, maybe put the blame on the packages that apparently refuse to build if you’re missing a minor update, or the kernel modules that claim support for the latest kernel but just don’t compile.
Arch isn’t stable. Manjaro is a tiny bit more stable. If you want stable, pick Fedora or SUSE or Ubuntu.
Is it really that bad? Had manjaro as daily driver for about 4 years and the only time I broke was when I tried dangerous stuff xD. The main argument I keep hearing, is the they had invalid certs on their site. Is there anything else? Back ten it seemed like a great ateway into arch. Not using arch BTW. :-P
I used it as a daily for about 2 years. The cert issues is just negligence but I had major package breaking and found the NVIDIA configuration they used to be broken.
Looked great and ran awesome on first install it felt like if you don’t update right away you’re gonna hurt.
Not really, the organisation behind Manjaro introduces a bug every two years or so (I think their software manager caused excessive requests to the Arch repos at one point?) and sometimes their website’s certificate renewal breaks for a few days, but that’s about it.
The biggest breakage problems occur when the AUR gets ahead of the Manjaro packages and compiles and upgrades fail, but they don’t leave you with an unbootable system unless you ignore a lot of warnings and try to force your way through a doomed upgrade.
It’s no worse than Arch, except installing Arch is so difficult that the people who don’t know why they broke their installs will veer off to another distro instead. Manjaro users also have a tendency to go to the Arch forums for support which annoys the Arch people for good reason, but I doubt they’d be any less annoyed if the people who couldn’t even be bothered to check if they’re on the right forum did install Arch.
Manjaro does tend to distribute code that’s nowhere near stable yet as part of their “standard” releases, which causes annoyances for others (notably the Asahi folks, because the ARM Apple CPUs were nowhere close to prime time yet when Manjaro announced Apple support based on Asahi) but the same can be said for Arch, or any Arch split-off like Endeavour, because bleeding edge support will always be painful for new software packages.
Even a non-aur build has broken for me. You cannot just take a snapshot of a bleeding edge distro and call it stable and then blame the end users when a normal operation like building from source breaks things (because that’s all the AUR really is. As long as you meet the dependencies, the software in the AUR should just work, I’ve used pkgbuild files to compile stuff from source and use on RHEL without issue)
I’ve been burned by Manjaro a few times, I refuse to let it go.
I’ve been running it for years, on a laptop with an Nvidia card no less. Manjaro seems to be more unstable than Ubuntu in terms of regular updates. Even with the AUR, you can just wait for the packages to get updated for the breakages to go away. Every major breakage I’ve encountered was either an upstream issue (yay, rolling releases!) or an AUR package not indicating its dependencies properly (producing errors like “libgarglesplurt.19.0.so not found” on startup). Arch installs have broken for me in the same way, usually at the same time.
If you’re complaining that building shit from source breaks, maybe put the blame on the packages that apparently refuse to build if you’re missing a minor update, or the kernel modules that claim support for the latest kernel but just don’t compile.
Arch isn’t stable. Manjaro is a tiny bit more stable. If you want stable, pick Fedora or SUSE or Ubuntu.