Now Israel/USA will fabricate an event, to legitimate another attack… Just wait…
Iran is happy with permanent ceasefire. Israel had far greater initial demonic fantasies, and so we can say they lost. Trump’s glorious victory strike no one should question its success is essentially helpful intervention on behalf of Iran. Israel better off not receiving missiles, too.
israel will regroup and attack again. trump and israel are doing this all the time now.
Israel was running out of interceptors and wanted to quit. Israel cannot do a war of attrition. The tide was turning but Iran handed Israel the win. Massive L for Iran.
Iran was shocked by a massive opening blow in the middle of negotiations which allowed Israel to disable many launcher sites and take air superiority in those regions preventing Iran from accessing their full capacity.
Regardless of this, Israel still just couldn’t handle sustained pressure from Irans remaining weapons.
Israel started the war with the goal of regime change and destroying Irans nuclear capabilities, they did neither.
If the war starts back, Iran will still have the capacity to overwhelm Israeli defense and Israel will have to rely on another surprise attack, which is much less likely now that Iran has seen their strategy for doing such.
It’s in no way an L for Iran, much less a massive one.
At no point should Iran ever not have expected Israeli strikes. This is what Israel did to Hezbollah as well. They took out many commanders and received almost no retailiation. Then Israel did it agains afterwards. And Israel will do so again with Iran because there is clearly no punishent.
Israel took air superiority but was not able to take out Iranian missile launchers. Israel fired many interceptors at each missile and appeared to be running out very soon. Israel was publicly signalling it wanted to tap out. Iran could have even taken a massive win by demanding a ceasefire in Gaza. But instead they chickened out and took the loss. Leaving Iran with their bombed nuclear facilities (not the mountains), and massacared army top. And Israel barely lost anything.
It’s an L for Iran in respect to killed military commanders and civilian toll, but an ever greater L to Israel because they not only failed the goal of regime change (if anything, made it more difficult by bombing Iranian civilians) but also experienced a breakdown in their defense capabilities and got bombarded for 12 days, breaking the facade that Israel is unable to experience repercussions for their violent aggressions
Like its name suggest “I” “Ran” (away from anything but suppression) :)
Iran is delusional.
I see videos in Tiktok of Tel Aviv and Haifa going boom boom that say otherwise.
The fact that any of them are still alive is only because Israel was constrained from using its nuclear weapons.
Bibi got exactly what he wanted. He killed Israel’s top 10nuclear scientists in the first 10 minutes of the attack. There has been no huge international outcry as a result of the attack so he now knows that he can do it again without consequences. He dragged fascist boot licker Donald Trump into the conflict so now he knows that the US will run to his aid whenever he needs it.
Trump got exactly what he wanted. He was horribly embarrassed by the fact that everyone was laughing at his dollar store dictator parade and got to flex his strongman muscles. Never mind the fact that the attack was a near total failure, his fascist bootlicking base believe that his approval rating is at 99.9% and that he completely wiped out Iran’s nuclear capabilities.
Other than that, though, Iran definitely won.
Bibi (and the west) wanted regime change — that did not happen. The bulk of Iranians rallied around the current govt. He wanted to eradicate Iran’s ability to enrich — that did not happen.
There is huge international outcry, just not in the west. One could argue that the consequences of this outcry isnt substantially retaliatory, but there is no doubt major outcry from the global majority and has only strengthened defense agreements among the major powers supporting Iran.
It was already known that the US would aid in Israel’s defense, especially considering that this attack was jointly coordinated. So while the US intervened, it was only intended to deescalate, evident by the potempkin attack on Iran’s nuclear sites. Bibi’s ultimate goal is to have the US involved in a long-term, official military capacity, which it did not achieve.
Trump got the opposite of what he wanted. He completely alienated his base by forsaking his promise to not get militarily involved in West Asian affairs and drag the US into more war. A significant number of his supporters view him as weak in this regard, not a so-called strongman. And what does he have to materially show for his efforts — nada.
This is a victory for Iran because the mystique of Israel has been completely broken by Iranian missiles. Everyone in the region thought Israel was unassailable – supported by the US with the weapons and forces of the US – they assumed it was invulnerable. And now it’s quite clearly vulnerable and was so at the point of breaking apart, because there are a lot of pressures inside of Israel right now. The myth of Israeli technical, material superiority and exceptionalism has been punctured. This is major.
What impact this will have within the region however, we will see.
Does that change the fact that Tel Aviv and Haifa got hammered?
Israel could not stop Iran from hitting Israeli cities. Israel’s air defence was shown to be ineffective.
Uh no, Iran has quite the powerful military force FYI
Then why is their name Iran and not Istopandfight
Sun Tzu-ish deception
Checkmate, atheists.
Shiites*
Yeah and 0 air defense right now lmao what?
Iran incurred some losses, no doubt, however the myth that Iran has zero air defense systems is a talking point spread by the West to bolster their supposed victory.
A portion of Iran’s Air defense systems were destroyed, however a significant amount were simply disabled via cyber attack for a period of about 8 hours at the start of Israel’s attack, however these have been restored.
Also, Russia has air defense systems that also protects portions of Iran’s airspace so it’s not exactly defenseless in that regard.
I don’t understand how people can be so ignorant. It’s not just about Iran’s losses, if the other side is degraded just as much, that’s a victory for Iran. Israel’s iron dome was degraded enough that at the end they only had 65% effectiveness. This allowed Iranian missiles to strike hospitals, their cheap drones were able to penetrate. In fact, it was Iran who launched the last volley to which Israel initially said they would retaliate but then backed off. Israel isn’t even reporting casualty rates anymore because the numbers are too high. Do you really think those strikes happened because Iran was using expensive hypersonic missiles that they were never known to have had?
Everyone knows on paper Iran’s military is older and weaker. And still they fought their way into a ceasefire in which they got to have the last volley.
Just as Israel was flying jets over Iran, Iran was flying missiles over Israel. The 2 militaries use different types of weapons to attack. The skies over both places were rather unfriendly.
I don’t know if that is what forced this particular ceasefire today. Didn’t uncle Donnie yell at Bibi to halt an attack that was already in flight? I don’t know how long Israel could continue this and how long Iran could their response. Technically Israel has the US economy producing weapons for its strikes whereas Iran, AFAIK can only count on themselves at the moment.
From what I understand, Israel requested a pause to the hostilities (there’s not exactly an official ceasefire in geopolitical terms as there are several necessary frameworks, procedures and agreements required that was not applied in this case) because alongside depletion of its air defense missiles, it was taking significant damage to key sectors of its economy: Haifa, the pivot point for EU to counter the East West corridor, was taking significant damage including it’s oil refinery, its loss of commerce via its 3 ports, 1 of which is completely closed and a displacement of a significant number of it’s citizens. Essentially the economy was beginning to shut down.
The bombardment Iran was inflicting on Israel would overrun Israel’s ability to defend against it – it’s widely believed that Iran has large stockpiles of missiles well beyond Israel’s capacity.
So rather than provide Israel with more munitions to an air defense that was proving to already be inefficient, the US stepped in with it’s attack on Iran’s nuclear sites… which we all know now was mostly theater
Interesting. This does make some sense. I think Israel claimed they destroyed a significant number of Iran’s missile arsenal but I don’t know how true that was and how much Iran had remaining. One thing is clear though, if the air defences run out of fodder, then cheaper missiles, perhaps even drones become effective.
I don’t know what caused the ceasefire, I’m only saying they were able to and got the last volley in. Which made Israel vow revenge, but Israel still stopped. Who won? I don’t know. But I am saying Iran didn’t lose, which for such a weak military is a victory in and of itself.
Yeah that makes sense.
