• MolochAlter@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Several genocides are going on right now, and have been for decades, almost like it’s got nothing to do with who’s in charge in the US or something.

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      6 months ago

      We send billions to israel every year and have only greatly ramped up the support as israel has ramped up the genocide. If the US simply stopped that support, it would go a long way. Following your logic, people get murdered all the time, so we shouldn’t do anything about murder, even if we’re the ones directly enabling the murderers.

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        5 months ago

        Not really, the two things are not connected the way you think they are.

        If anything, Israel cares about western approval enough to at least put up the appearance of propriety, if that approval were to be lost either way I have no doubt they’d just drop all pretense and purge the contested areas at once.

        It’s abundantly clear that we the west are the last people involved in this who care about Palestinian survival (other than Palestinians obviously), their neighbours care only insofar as it keeps Israel busy and weakened internally, but they do nothing to help them (and with reason, since the attempted coup in Jordan), I don’t want to find out what happens when we step aside, do you?

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          5 months ago

          I’m sure israel wants to completely ethnically cleanse Palestine regardless of funding, that has been the mission since Palestine was selected as the target for the zionist movement. However, it’s our funding and investments that enables them. Do you honestly think israel is self-sufficient? If they were, then why do we send them billions of dollars every year? That’s just the tip of the support iceberg, by the way. We also incentivize companies to invest in israel, like Intel and other tech companies.

          We also spend a lot of resources destroying and pacifying countries in the region to ensure israel’s continued existence. It’s no coincidence that countries like Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc have been invaded and/or regime changed. The top recipient of US foreign aid is israel by far, but Egypt is near the top of the list and it’s to keep them pacified since they’re a major power in the region and had opposed israel in the past.

          The US doesn’t care about Palestine’s existence at all and is only keeping up appearances as well. Just look at the two-state solution that is always proposed but never followed through. Look at all the negotiations that have taken place where the US obviously sides with israel on unreasonable demands and then blames Palestine for not accepting “deals” that no one would accept.

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      6 months ago

      What kind of sociopathic hand waving is this? This is like if a strawman had a child with whataboutism and all it ate was apathy.

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        6 months ago

        No, it’s a European telling you to stop believing your own hype.

        The US is not the center of the universe, your support matters but you alone are not the factor that is going to save or doom Palestine.

        Vote based on what’s best for your own country and realise that we neither expect you nor want you to solve everything you deem to be an issue.

        • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.socialOP
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          6 months ago

          Vote based on what’s best for your own country

          I mean this emphatically: if you’re not an american, you do not want americans to vote for what is best for their country.

          Literally nothing good (or maybe almost nothing good, depending on who’s asking) has come from America pursuing its interests abroad.