• eleitl@lemmy.mlOPMEnglish
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      5 months ago

      My pleasure. Obviously a community discussing collapse can’t stay in a place which denies overshoot of the ecosystem carrying capacity. The Reese paper doesn’t say a thing about eugenics.

      • TheDeed [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        5 months ago

        a community discussing collapse can’t stay in a place which denies overshoot of the ecosystem carrying capacity. The Reese paper doesn’t say a thing about eugenics.

        Okay then, what do you propose we do if you believe we’ve overshot our carrying capacity?

        • possibly a cat@lemmy.mlMEnglish
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          5 months ago

          Okay then, what do you propose we do if you believe we’ve overshot our carrying capacity?

          You mean what to do to improve the average quality of life?

          Anti-colonial, anti-hegemonic action. Which I am always happy to discuss.

          Unfortunately it will have to occur in a different space - perhaps on lemm.ee, or perhaps on hexbear (where I’m also an active user).

        • eleitl@lemmy.mlOPMEnglish
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          5 months ago

          I don’t believe that we’ve very significantly overshot our global ecosystem carrying capacity. Especially post-fossil. It’s a fact outlined in many numbers in thousands of peer reviewed publications.

          As to what we could collectively do: sadly, very little. The overall system has almost no degrees of freedom left. You’re mostly down to personal and community scale choices. Small things.

          Not going to continue to discuss that here though.

          • hexthismess [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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            5 months ago

            The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.

            There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.

          • jack [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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            5 months ago

            Not going to continue to discuss that here though.

            why because it’s a garbage argument that immediately reveals itself to be bullshit? we could very easily sustain projected populations under a system of more equitable resource distribution and the destruction of the capitalist class