• stufkes@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    I’m going to lose my lifetime, literally, by biking a total of 80+ km to work and back. And public transportation takes 2+ hrs one way.

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      5 months ago

      Then when you get into the city, you’ll benefit immensely from 80% of the people being on separated bike paths rather than cars on the road.

      There’s no realistic plan where cities become carless, but can they not be the default?

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        5 months ago

        I don’t disagree with the plans to make the city careless. I answered the question what would be so bad about cycling. I think the time factor is often forgotten when talking about cycling and public transport

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          5 months ago

          The time factor is always forgotten when discussing ways to make society more efficient. As if the primary thing that the working poor are poor in isn’t time itself.

          Time, as a resource to be paid for these various solutions, is treated like a throwaway resource. IMO it’s positively dehumanizing to wantonly allocate other people’s time like that.

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        5 months ago

        How is a driving person going to benefit from there being more people biking exactly?

        Think that through. Why are there more people biking? Because the cost of driving went up.

        If those who drive benefit from this system, it will mean more people choosing to drive as a result of driving being more valuable.

        Don’t think you’re making the utility of cars better by this. If it made cars more useful it would result in more car trips. If it makes cars more useful and doesn’t result in more car trips, it must have forced some subset of people to stop using cars for the other drivers’ benefit.

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          5 months ago

          The costs don’t have to go up at all. Merely uncover the costs that are already there but hidden. Everything from noise, space usage, wars in far off countries, lack of exercise, or just the surprise $1200 repair expense.

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      5 months ago

      No, lose it making money to maintain and feed the car ( how many working hours a year that is?) and sitting in a car for an hour in one direction. Correct time of commuting is time spent in traffic + time spent to earn the money for fuel. If you bikemute, you can actually consider a part of that time as free gym.