That mentality is why trump is in office again. If they didn’t keep embracing the corrupt neoliberal “we stand for nothing” vision, they might be able to salvage the party.
Back the blue no matter what, unless… is a joke. The DNC needs to work for the people, not the other way around.
No argument there, but messaging is important to be effective. Most US voters are going to reflexively balk at the word “socialist” and will stop listening to anything else being said. It’s unfortunate, but it’s reality.
I think they’d actually agree with the tenants of socialism if they could get past the reflex though. For example, if “owning the means of production” were packaged as, “a fair share” they’d be more likely to listen. Silly, but you have to meet people where they are to be effective.
Mamdani talking about issues everyone but the rich would agree with is great, and I’m happy to see the upswell of support for it. I still think he’d lose in most other places in the US though, the word “socialist” just carries too much of a stigma outside the major metro areas.
That’s why the message of socialism needs to talked about and use the actual word socialism. Stop the limp messaging and be bold or continue to embrace lying to your base (both parties guilty).
The ruling class would prefer you to keep using “socialism” in quotes
That’s a nice sentiment, but it would have to overcome 100+ years of indoctrination that socialism==bad on top of the avalanche of attacks from the powers that be. Those attacks are going to come regardless, so insisting on playing hard mode by using the word socialist isn’t likely to result in good outcomes.
I’d rather see the tenants of socialism win by another name, frankly. The outcome is a lot more important than the word.
None of that offers any direction or a path to change. It is limp messaging that say well maybe someone somehow can grow change in a system designed to squash dissenting ideas.
People need an actual positive direction to head. You’re just repeating the talking points that have not done anything for people and keep the conversation in a safe place for the political elites.
This is “thoughts & prayers” for socialism and its screams complacency
It’s really not, and you can look at Trump as the perfect example. He came out and said all the awful shit that Nazis and Klan members believed but rebranded it as MAGA. Socialists could do the same thing, so easily. Just pick a new phrase/word and keep almost everything other tenant the same. Call it “Liberty Forever” and talk about how mandatory profit sharing “guarantees your right to work and access to a free market.” It would be so fucking effective.
Messaging is important and “Liberty Forever” sounds like another Ponzi scheme instead of just cutting the bs and being honest. Distrust is a major issue and adding convoluted layers to messaging that isn’t helping. It’s like saying the economy is great while people can’t afford anything get pissed and disagree. Economy as defined has little to do with quality of life. Most people don’t understand economy != quality of life. See DNC 2024. Trying to smoke & mirror your message is dishonest and will ultimately fail.
Cut the layers of bullshit and be honest. It worked in the NYC primary and you’d have to be a fool (or disingenuous) to throw that data wayside
You’re giving way too much credit to like, 60% of the country. A wide majority of voters do not respond logically, they respond emotionally. NYC is a tiny fraction of the voting population, and assuming that the messaging used there will work in most of the rest of the country is silly.
Gotta meet people where they are man, and purity doesn’t sell as well as familiarity. Disregarding reality handicaps a movement.
That mentality is why trump is in office again. If they didn’t keep embracing the corrupt neoliberal “we stand for nothing” vision, they might be able to salvage the party.
Back the blue no matter what, unless… is a joke. The DNC needs to work for the people, not the other way around.
No argument there, but messaging is important to be effective. Most US voters are going to reflexively balk at the word “socialist” and will stop listening to anything else being said. It’s unfortunate, but it’s reality.
I think they’d actually agree with the tenants of socialism if they could get past the reflex though. For example, if “owning the means of production” were packaged as, “a fair share” they’d be more likely to listen. Silly, but you have to meet people where they are to be effective.
Mamdani talking about issues everyone but the rich would agree with is great, and I’m happy to see the upswell of support for it. I still think he’d lose in most other places in the US though, the word “socialist” just carries too much of a stigma outside the major metro areas.
That’s why the message of socialism needs to talked about and use the actual word socialism. Stop the limp messaging and be bold or continue to embrace lying to your base (both parties guilty).
The ruling class would prefer you to keep using “socialism” in quotes
That’s a nice sentiment, but it would have to overcome 100+ years of indoctrination that socialism==bad on top of the avalanche of attacks from the powers that be. Those attacks are going to come regardless, so insisting on playing hard mode by using the word socialist isn’t likely to result in good outcomes.
I’d rather see the tenants of socialism win by another name, frankly. The outcome is a lot more important than the word.
It’s really not that hard Fox News does it constantly. It’s why everyone thinks Hillary is the devil.
None of that offers any direction or a path to change. It is limp messaging that say well maybe someone somehow can grow change in a system designed to squash dissenting ideas.
People need an actual positive direction to head. You’re just repeating the talking points that have not done anything for people and keep the conversation in a safe place for the political elites.
This is “thoughts & prayers” for socialism and its screams complacency
It’s really not, and you can look at Trump as the perfect example. He came out and said all the awful shit that Nazis and Klan members believed but rebranded it as MAGA. Socialists could do the same thing, so easily. Just pick a new phrase/word and keep almost everything other tenant the same. Call it “Liberty Forever” and talk about how mandatory profit sharing “guarantees your right to work and access to a free market.” It would be so fucking effective.
Messaging is important.
Messaging is important and “Liberty Forever” sounds like another Ponzi scheme instead of just cutting the bs and being honest. Distrust is a major issue and adding convoluted layers to messaging that isn’t helping. It’s like saying the economy is great while people can’t afford anything get pissed and disagree. Economy as defined has little to do with quality of life. Most people don’t understand economy != quality of life. See DNC 2024. Trying to smoke & mirror your message is dishonest and will ultimately fail.
Cut the layers of bullshit and be honest. It worked in the NYC primary and you’d have to be a fool (or disingenuous) to throw that data wayside
You’re giving way too much credit to like, 60% of the country. A wide majority of voters do not respond logically, they respond emotionally. NYC is a tiny fraction of the voting population, and assuming that the messaging used there will work in most of the rest of the country is silly.
Gotta meet people where they are man, and purity doesn’t sell as well as familiarity. Disregarding reality handicaps a movement.