• spookex@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Selfish for wanting to own the things that I use and having the right to use them however I want?

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      If you don’t value the thing for it’s intended function why are you bothering to take one?

      Also, if you destroy or misplace the thing, there’s no reason to give you different things. If you want another thing, you are going to be made to work for it.

      There’s always a bellows that needs pumping.

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        If you don’t value the thing for it’s intended function why are you bothering to take one?

        That’s beside the point, the point is that I don’t borrow things because I like to have the ability to use them however I want and according to my current needs.

        I have a paint can that I can’t get open, but I own a flathead screwdriver. It’s not the intended purpose of a flathead screwdriver, but I can use it as a prybar to open the paint can, if the screwdriver breaks, now I have 2 pieces of metal to use for something else.

        I don’t mind working, but I would like to work for a currency that I can use to buy things that I will own and see to use however I see fit for it to be used.

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          Ok man. The use of money does indeed enable you to be a loner misanthrope that is ambivalent about your reputation.

          Other “social” systems rely on being “social”

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      9 months ago

      Without considering how your free use however you want effects others?

      Absolutely.

      Humans are social animals, hyper-individualism is antisocial.

      Contrary to what the oligarchs tell you, greed and selfishness are character deficits and personal failings.

      Not that they haven’t spent the last century propagandizing attempting to rebrand them into virtues like the Orwellian rational self-interest.

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        Without considering how your free use however you want effects others?

        Define the others, I’m not out here throwing trash on the streets or smashing windows, I don’t mind helping the people in my community or lending the things that I own to them.

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          If there’s one copy of a book in a town and its your cherished thing, that’s fine.

          If you’re the only person in town with a copy of a library’s worth of books and you aren’t willing to share any with your community to borrow, you’re allowed to do that, but you sound like someone who doesn’t really want to be a member of a community.

          Live together or die alone. We can be a civilization one day, or we can keep being monkeys throwing sticks at each other in the dirt, but with smartphones and smog.

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            If there’s one copy of a book in a town and its your cherished thing, that’s fine.

            If you’re the only person in town with a copy of a library’s worth of books and you aren’t willing to share any with your community to borrow, you’re allowed to do that, but you sound like someone who doesn’t really want to be a member of a community.

            In that case, it’s all on a case-by-case basis.

            There are some books that I would just give away since they would be taking up space, there are some books that I wouldn’t mind lending to anyone at any time, and there are some books that I would only lend to someone that I know personally.

            Live together or die alone. We can be a civilization one day, or we can keep being monkeys throwing sticks at each other in the dirt, but with smartphones and smog.

            Sure, but we were never meant to be a global one, I’m perfectly fine with being a part of a certain tribe of monkeys that is ready to throw sticks at another tribe for our way of life.

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      Define “right” in this context please. If you mean legal right, we’re talking about an entirely different system that would have different laws. The rights you have now may not apply. If you mean moral right, what gives you the moral right to consume resources that need not be consumed that could serve others also? Those seem like some pretty horrible morals if that’s what you believe.

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        If you mean legal right, we’re talking about an entirely different system that would have different laws.

        Yes, I mean a legal right, and I would like to have that legal right in the future, thank you very much.

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          This just shows a total failing of your creativity or critical thinking skills if you can’t even put aside your current ideas to consider what other things can happen. You can’t consider another idea if you aren’t willing to put aside preconceived notions. You aren’t even saying the other system is bad or wouldn’t work or anything. You’re only saying you can’t even consider anything that isn’t exactly what you have now. It may improve your life or it may not, but you can’t even consider it because it’s different.