Sure, it kind of goes with the characterisation. Most ex-Star Wars fans are a sour lot though. Why can’t they just accept that one era is over and the franchise is in a different place. Sure I’m sad that the style of Star Wars I grew up with is not only over, but actively being dismantled. But that’s been going on for close to 30 years.
It’s a simple fix for grown-ups: There hasn’t been any Star Wars movies made since the 80’s. And if you subjectively disagree, you’re objectively wrong as per any fandom law.
People have hope and heart for Star Wars … hope that got rekindled by a spark here and there like Andor and The Mandalorian’s early seasons.
So the fans get pulled back in.
But soon after Disney brings pain again, and it is always on purpose, usually from very bad writing that should not have seen the green light, and lousy planning.
There’s a reason that the term “Fandom Menace” and the saltierthancrait subreddit are things.
As a fan since the 80’s, and a woman, I’ve seen my fair share of toxicity, but nothing will compare to the level it’s gotten since the release of the sequels. I also hated the sequels, but goddamn the level of hate towards the actors themselves was just awful. There were many valid technical reasons to criticize those movies - diversity wasn’t one of them.
It’s definitely made us all look like idiots regardless if you were a part of the drama or not.
Granted there was toxicity and yes the level greatly increased when the sequels came out.
But a lot of it was instigated by Disney, they started to spout the nonsense of “The Force Is Female” and “Star Wars has no strong women”, no one previously claimed the force to have a gender, or declared Leia a whimpering lass.
But this was the Disney that promised a new hope for Star Wars when it was bought, and a conclusion to the story the “later” generation of fans were hoping for, to see how their old heroes had fared, after perhaps reading all the books the hopes were high.
And it was all thrown in a puddle of mud and stomped on on purpose by Disney.
The heroes were willfully destroyed, in movies that had no production planning and lousy writing.
This is what made the mouthier fans angry.
On top of that Disney’s media output was only making it worse, and, as was later proven, a lot of the negativity some actors perceived was pushed on them by the media, not the fans (both John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran said as much, Gina Carano’s story falls in the same category, Disney attacked her through social media bots or so it is said), yet the blame landed firmly and only on toxic fans.
Disney’s opening toxicity was always waved off.
Anyone daring to comment on the sexist remarks of the force being female or Rey being a Mary Sue was immediately stamped as toxic.
And for just about every tv show there was a remark or two from Disney far ahead of the release of the show that got the fans raging, Andor was just about the exception, that one had a lot of radio silence.
In all, I as a fan am bummed out there was/is toxicity, but I can’t swallow it no more that legit, polite, grievances and criticism are being cast off as being toxic and the Disney product is beyond reproach and can only be revered.
The Acolyte has shown cringely bad writing so far, from episode 1 to 3 it’s only gone downhill, and I think people should be allowed to comment on that, if it turns out to be the next Shakespeare at the end, well the first 3 definitely never will be.
It’s the casual fans who are bad imo. The ones who hate everything except the OT. And they just constantly talk about how Disney has ruined Star Wars because the only thing they watched was the numbered movies.
Actually Star Wars fans aren’t that bad
Sure, it kind of goes with the characterisation. Most ex-Star Wars fans are a sour lot though. Why can’t they just accept that one era is over and the franchise is in a different place. Sure I’m sad that the style of Star Wars I grew up with is not only over, but actively being dismantled. But that’s been going on for close to 30 years.
It’s a simple fix for grown-ups: There hasn’t been any Star Wars movies made since the 80’s. And if you subjectively disagree, you’re objectively wrong as per any fandom law.
People have hope and heart for Star Wars … hope that got rekindled by a spark here and there like Andor and The Mandalorian’s early seasons. So the fans get pulled back in.
But soon after Disney brings pain again, and it is always on purpose, usually from very bad writing that should not have seen the green light, and lousy planning.
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There’s a reason that the term “Fandom Menace” and the saltierthancrait subreddit are things.
As a fan since the 80’s, and a woman, I’ve seen my fair share of toxicity, but nothing will compare to the level it’s gotten since the release of the sequels. I also hated the sequels, but goddamn the level of hate towards the actors themselves was just awful. There were many valid technical reasons to criticize those movies - diversity wasn’t one of them.
It’s definitely made us all look like idiots regardless if you were a part of the drama or not.
Granted there was toxicity and yes the level greatly increased when the sequels came out. But a lot of it was instigated by Disney, they started to spout the nonsense of “The Force Is Female” and “Star Wars has no strong women”, no one previously claimed the force to have a gender, or declared Leia a whimpering lass. But this was the Disney that promised a new hope for Star Wars when it was bought, and a conclusion to the story the “later” generation of fans were hoping for, to see how their old heroes had fared, after perhaps reading all the books the hopes were high. And it was all thrown in a puddle of mud and stomped on on purpose by Disney. The heroes were willfully destroyed, in movies that had no production planning and lousy writing. This is what made the mouthier fans angry.
On top of that Disney’s media output was only making it worse, and, as was later proven, a lot of the negativity some actors perceived was pushed on them by the media, not the fans (both John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran said as much, Gina Carano’s story falls in the same category, Disney attacked her through social media bots or so it is said), yet the blame landed firmly and only on toxic fans. Disney’s opening toxicity was always waved off.
Anyone daring to comment on the sexist remarks of the force being female or Rey being a Mary Sue was immediately stamped as toxic.
And for just about every tv show there was a remark or two from Disney far ahead of the release of the show that got the fans raging, Andor was just about the exception, that one had a lot of radio silence.
In all, I as a fan am bummed out there was/is toxicity, but I can’t swallow it no more that legit, polite, grievances and criticism are being cast off as being toxic and the Disney product is beyond reproach and can only be revered.
The Acolyte has shown cringely bad writing so far, from episode 1 to 3 it’s only gone downhill, and I think people should be allowed to comment on that, if it turns out to be the next Shakespeare at the end, well the first 3 definitely never will be.
It’s the casual fans who are bad imo. The ones who hate everything except the OT. And they just constantly talk about how Disney has ruined Star Wars because the only thing they watched was the numbered movies.
Disney has ruined Star Wars. Everything outside of the main 6 is questionable