I don’t understand how “death” and “kill” have started being so context dependent.
When we see people protesting in parts of the world chanting “death to the west” on tv, does the average person watching it understand it’s a figure of speech which is implicitly calling for social justice or whatever?
Social media posts too like “kill fascists/nazis”, I am terminally online enough to read it as a figure of speech but it’s pretty clunky.
FWIW Israel are committing war crimes in Gaza and protesting at Glastonbury where there are lots of eyeballs watching makes sense. I just find the rhetoric a bit clumsy if you are chanting words that sound catchy but don’t mean to use them in their normative sense.
I don’t think we actually need to litigate that since it isn’t relevant one way or the other. The accusation is that the statement was anti-semitic, it wasn’t anti-semitic. Whether or not it was a call to violence is actually irrelevant to that part of the discussion.
I have no idea if it was or wasn’t because I didn’t witness it and now I can’t.
Whether or not it was a call to violence is actually irrelevant to that part of the discussion. I have no idea if it was or wasn’t because I didn’t witness it and now I can’t.
There’s video of it you could watch. The dude chanted “Death! Death! Death to the IDF!”
This isn’t anti-semetic, but it could be interpreted as a call to violent action if you take “death” as literal.
Right but my point is that doesn’t matter the accusation that has been laid which is, that it’s anti-semitic (whatever the hell that means in 2025) and we agree it isn’t anti-semitic. It might be violent l, I don’t know, apparently no one cares about that.
Just as long as we’re not insulting Jews Which is apparently a very bad thing to do for some reason.
I have no idea if it was or wasn’t because I didn’t witness it and now I can’t.
Are you typing this comment on your TV that only receives BBC? You know the video is one “bob vylan glastonbury 2025” youtube search away right?
As for Bob Vylan the British courts are going to throw the book at him like they did with Kneecap so it’s important to reiterate that his speech was not targeted at an individual or a protected minority group.
All I said was I couldn’t view the content and I can’t.
I didn’t watch the original broadcast so I have no frame of reference for any of this. I’m sure there are other copies but the problem is I don’t know what I’m supposed to Google because who the hell is this guy?
Calling for the dissolution of an organization is not violence, Bob Vylan was just taking his artistic liberty with the wording of the message.
Please, we don’t need to do the work of a libelous disinformation network for them.
I don’t understand how “death” and “kill” have started being so context dependent.
When we see people protesting in parts of the world chanting “death to the west” on tv, does the average person watching it understand it’s a figure of speech which is implicitly calling for social justice or whatever?
Social media posts too like “kill fascists/nazis”, I am terminally online enough to read it as a figure of speech but it’s pretty clunky.
FWIW Israel are committing war crimes in Gaza and protesting at Glastonbury where there are lots of eyeballs watching makes sense. I just find the rhetoric a bit clumsy if you are chanting words that sound catchy but don’t mean to use them in their normative sense.
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I don’t think we actually need to litigate that since it isn’t relevant one way or the other. The accusation is that the statement was anti-semitic, it wasn’t anti-semitic. Whether or not it was a call to violence is actually irrelevant to that part of the discussion.
I have no idea if it was or wasn’t because I didn’t witness it and now I can’t.
There’s video of it you could watch. The dude chanted “Death! Death! Death to the IDF!”
This isn’t anti-semetic, but it could be interpreted as a call to violent action if you take “death” as literal.
Right but my point is that doesn’t matter the accusation that has been laid which is, that it’s anti-semitic (whatever the hell that means in 2025) and we agree it isn’t anti-semitic. It might be violent l, I don’t know, apparently no one cares about that.
Just as long as we’re not insulting Jews Which is apparently a very bad thing to do for some reason.
Are you typing this comment on your TV that only receives BBC? You know the video is one “bob vylan glastonbury 2025” youtube search away right?
As for Bob Vylan the British courts are going to throw the book at him like they did with Kneecap so it’s important to reiterate that his speech was not targeted at an individual or a protected minority group.
All I said was I couldn’t view the content and I can’t.
I didn’t watch the original broadcast so I have no frame of reference for any of this. I’m sure there are other copies but the problem is I don’t know what I’m supposed to Google because who the hell is this guy?
That is some serious linguistic contortion. You’re going to pull a muscle.
No actually, I am very comfortable, thanks!
Hey, I hope you serve on juries because you’re wrong in the morally correct direction.
I hope the IDF is radically changed or dissolved.