This is a pretty strange stance to argue. As far as I can see you’re saying:
we can’t know another animal’s emotional state
some humans rarely have abnormalities in how they feel emotions
from 1 and 2 it is possible that emotional capacity is not universal in animals
from 3 it is unlikely non human animals are comparable to human animals in emotional capacity
I just don’t see how you get from 3 to 4. It would seem to me given how similar humans are to at least other mammals, specifically in the neural structures we believe to be where emotions arise and in the behaviours we believe to be emotionally driven, we should strongly suspect they have emotions highly comparable to us and not the reverse.
There are levels to emotion. I postulate that there comes a point where language is required to achieve a higher state of emotion.
For example remorse. It’s required understanding one is able to cause others harm. Can you reasonable state this is an innate emotion? I would strongly argue it requires understanding of cause and effect that requires verbal communication to understand.
With animals we train them with reinforcement techniques. Which children we do the same but continue to expand upon it on with verbal reasoning
I postulate that there comes a point where language is required to achieve a higher state of emotion.
Right, just so we’re clear you’re making shit up and clothing it in the language of science.
I am not banning you yet because I’m not sure you quite understand what you just implied but it’s hard not to read this as a claim that humans with different capacities for language don’t reach your enlightened heights of emotional complexity.
That is a very dangerous attitude which has been used to justify absolutely horrendous stuff.
This is a pretty strange stance to argue. As far as I can see you’re saying:
I just don’t see how you get from 3 to 4. It would seem to me given how similar humans are to at least other mammals, specifically in the neural structures we believe to be where emotions arise and in the behaviours we believe to be emotionally driven, we should strongly suspect they have emotions highly comparable to us and not the reverse.
Why would the default assumption be they don’t?
There are levels to emotion. I postulate that there comes a point where language is required to achieve a higher state of emotion.
For example remorse. It’s required understanding one is able to cause others harm. Can you reasonable state this is an innate emotion? I would strongly argue it requires understanding of cause and effect that requires verbal communication to understand.
With animals we train them with reinforcement techniques. Which children we do the same but continue to expand upon it on with verbal reasoning
Ah finally! A justification to eat my own child! Thank you kind stranger!
Right, just so we’re clear you’re making shit up and clothing it in the language of science.
I am not banning you yet because I’m not sure you quite understand what you just implied but it’s hard not to read this as a claim that humans with different capacities for language don’t reach your enlightened heights of emotional complexity.
That is a very dangerous attitude which has been used to justify absolutely horrendous stuff.
Do you uh, wanna backpedal from that claim?