• Bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org
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    4 months ago

    On the contrary, I think all reasonable countries need to come to Ukraine’s aid here to stop the invasion. Russia needs to be defeated and admonished. It needs to be made clear to everyone that illegal invasions and land grabs will be stopped with force.

    So exactly as I said “you are willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians because of this belief”.
    Any aid to Ukrainian government helps them stay in power, and continue to terrorize the people, kidnap them from the streets & send to die, forbid people to leave the country, etc.

    Do you really think any of those people are on the same level of evil as Trump and Putin?

    Of course.
    They all participate in murdering Ukrainians.
    And I don’t see Trump as evil btw, I see him as the only hope for my friends and family survival.

    It’s crazy that you want your country to lose.

    Well, name one reason I should support the current government of my country.
    Every single person I know, especially those who are still trapped in Ukraine, is more afraid of Zelensky than Putin. It’s Zelensky who wants to kidnap them (or their husband/son/brother/etc.) and send them to die. It’s Zelensky who makes people afraid of leaving their home. It’s Zelensky who prevents them from leaving the country. It’s Zelensky who continues saying “no” to negotiations.
    You want to know how bad the situation is? People used to escape Ukraine through occupied territories, through Russia. People would use whatever opportunity they have, just to get to the occupied territories (mostly by lying to the authorities about having family on the occupied territories, because they used to let you through in those cases), because from there they could simply head to Russia, from where they could either go whenever they want or live in Russia in peace. I know this because a family member of mine managed to escape this way. Now they don’t let anyone through, because they realized that people prefer risking their lives by going to occupied territories than dying for Zelensky. How many people died trying to escape through mountains or rivers? For an average Ukrainian, it’s Zelensky who wants to kill them, not Putin.
    And you still don’t see a reason why I want peace?

    There is also this propaganda of Russia being the modern Nazi Germany that wants to exterminate Ukrainians or something. Can you imagine a Pole, or even better a Jew during WW2 who wants to escape their country and go to Nazi Germany, because they would be safer there and treated better? Yeah, I doubt it. This is the reality in Ukraine though. Or rather it was, because as I said - now even that is impossible…
    You see how absurd this is?

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      You’re quite obviously paid to support ruzzian nazi invasions. Hope those worthless rubles are worth being on the wrong side of history.

      You can fuck off to hell you worthless piece of trash.

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          No, it isn’t. You’re embarrassing yourself.

          I like that two whole word phrase you’ve learned, you lean quite hard on it though. Do they teach you that hilarious tactic in the ruzzian troll camps?

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            No, it isn’t. You’re embarrassing yourself.

            Oh, really?
            So for example Azov brigade and glorification of Stepan Bandera is just a Russian misinformation, am I right?

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              How embarrassing for you. You must be disabled in order for you not to be forcibly conscripted by the nazi ruzzian regime to die on the front lines.

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                4 months ago

                Eh, and again war supporters have to rely on ad hominem to try to prove their point because they have no sound arguments :)

                The only government that tries to forcibly conscript and send me (and countless other Ukrainians) to die is Ukrainian government though.