• TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Well its about fucking time. Reuters/ Ipsos results will be in next week.

    Lets see if MI/ WI get back on the table and if MN is still a toss up. Its good strong rhetoric but the US has been on the wrong side of this issue for 9 months. One speech doesn’t change that and there is damage to be fixed, but its always a first step. We froze Russian assets to fund the rebuilding of Ukraine. Should we freeze Israelli assets to pay for the rebuilding of Gaza? Lets hear some policy proposals.

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      3 months ago

      Lets hear some policy proposals.

      Here’s one simple trick that Harris can do on Day 1: Support the full inclusion of Palestine as a member at the United Nations.

      (It’s possible that the UK or France might veto, but the US has generally been the obstacle to full recognition of Palestine at the UN.)

      Once Palestine has international recognition as a state, it can start to benefit from international law, like the Geneva Convention.

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      3 months ago

      Man if we could close the gap in Georgia or North Carolina that would be great. We’d have a much higher chance then.

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        3 months ago

        I’m way, way, way less worried about those states than I am MI, and WI.

        MI and WI should lnt even be competitive for Trump. The speech was a good start, we’re gonna need actual action to bring Muslim voters back into the fold.

        The black community has rallied around Harris in a way not seen since 2008. I’ve got too much day job work rn, but my first pass on some data says “fuck it, shoot for Florida too”. Obama won Florida twice and Trump really only won it in the margins.

        But without WI and MI, it’s all for naught.

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          3 months ago

          There’s not much policy action she could take. Other than the words, she’s probably going to meet with community leaders, but there’s really not much more she can do on that front.

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            3 months ago

            She’s still part of an administration that can do policy. The job of president is a purely rhetorical position. Her job is and will be to move people to policy positions.

            If she can move Joe Biden to a better policy on Gaze/Israel, she wins this election.

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              That’s not how that works. Biden has very real power, not just rhetorical. For example he can deploy the military wherever he wants for 60 days. He can direct an agency to only do half of it’s job. (Trump famously removed all the furniture from the office meant to help people find immigration detainees) If you’re not American then think of him as a prime minister/CEO. The Vice President gets a portfolio from the president. Without that their only job is to break ties in the Senate and stay alive.

              Some administrations have had a division of labor for whipping votes, but that is primarily the job of the party whip and leader for each chamber.

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                Agree to disagree on the power she has, and I know very, very well how all this works.

                I think you are failing to appreciate the role of rhetoric in leadership and politics and how things actually work. The job is ENTIRELY rhetorical and the job of the President is to move public opinions in specific ways toward policy positions they want them to take.

                Everything after the rheotoric is an afterthought.

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                  Rhetoric is a tool. But the powers of the presidency go well beyond them. A think tank spokesman is a rhetorical position. The president is a CEO. And I doubt you have the inside scoop on their specific working relationship. If you did and you were posting about it here then it would be news.

                  Saying she has to move Biden or else she’s complicit is just trying to guilt her by association. The only concrete thing she could do is resign and that’s political suicide in the US.