No, veganism as a conclusion is a combination of facts and basic moral understanding, principles like “live and let live”, “do no harm”, and the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do to you. If you’re a psychopath who doesn’t care how much harm, death, and suffering is caused in order to get sensory pleasure, I probably can’t convince you why veganism is worthwhile
do you disagree with all the ethical principles I mentioned, or the facts I listed? Or do you think that the conclusion doesn’t follow from the premises?
Somehow, you think this is a debate. It isn’t. It’s me fucking around because vegans are zealots that call people that don’t agree with them psychopaths (which isn’t really a useful term now, the dsm classifies things differently, but I’m okay with the colloquial usage here, no worries).
What I do disagree with is the assumption that a cobbled together set of beliefs makes someone better than another, which is exactly what someone is showing when they start throwing around terms like psychopath willy nilly like that.
Seriously, dude, you already proved my point. It was inevitable that someone would, or just happened to be you. I’ve had my laugh, you’ve had your moment of feeling superior, so I think we both had a good time :)
I don’t think people who disagree with me are psychopaths. I think that given enough time and discussion I could convince most people that based on their own principles, veganism is the right thing to do. On the other hand, people who don’t give a fuck about how they affect others, would not be sympathetic to any line of reasoning I could think of. That’s all I was trying to say there
I’m not sure why you went there, but hey, we all fuck up, right?
But you’re still making a huge assumption. You’re assuming that anyone that isn’t vegan doesn’t give a fuck about how they affect others. You’re assuming that anyone you can’t convince would be wrong, because your logic, your arguments are the right ones by default.
You’ve been pretty busy trying to debate and argue. Did you ask what kind of meats I eat, how often, how I source them, or anything else that wasn’t meant specifically to debate, convert, or otherwise change my stance? No.
And that’s not unexpected. I’ve had this conversation maybe a hundred times. I can count on two hands the number of vegans that went as far as you just did by walking back their aggression. That’s actually pretty impressive tbh, because this all started with me baiting vegans. Kudos :)
Now, there is a fundamental gap between the usual vegan perspective on human/animal interactions/usage and personal beliefs. That gap is different at a level that, I agree, would not result in me converting to the vegan system. I don’t have a problem with people being vegan, I don’t want anyone to stop being vegan, or whatever. But I know vegans irl. Vegans that matter enough to me that I’ve sat and listened and done the whole Jehovah’s Witness thing (I’m poking fun, not trying to troll there, it’s meant to exaggerate the silliness of the whole thread), with laptops and phones and sources. I cook vegan for these people. Gladly, and I used to even haunt a vegan recipe C/ to expand my recipe base to make better food for them.
I only say that to let you know that it isn’t being vegan that I’m baiting and making fun of. It’s the accoutrements.
Do you see what I’m getting at? If you don’t, that’s okay. You don’t even have to take the time to try (especially if you’ve gotten this far, that’s a lot of verbiage).
Dude, you want a plate, I’ll hook you up, but you gotta pick up the supplies, my back is fucking wrecked. And it’ll have to be next Saturday.
But, yeah man, drag your giant ass fish feet over next weekend. It’ll be good to see your punk ass. Why the fuck you can’t just text me like a normal human being, I don’t know.
Have you seen don’t fuck with cats? I haven’t, but from what I understand it’s a guy abusing kittens and posting it online, so people doxx him and go to great lengths to bring him to justice. Would you bait those people? Because I have a way lighter reaction than them to orders of magnitudes more animal abuse
Wellll, first fight I ever got in was over a puppy.
But, yeah, I’d fuck with those people. Amateur detectives got it right that time, but it’s been a pretty dumb idea overall. Dunno if I’d bait them, I’d likely just directly poke fun at them because they don’t have a unified set of beliefs that make them open to a broad troll like this. In other words, the amateur detectives can’t be baited, only insulted. The difference may not seem big, but it is in trolling terms.
What makes vegans such a ripe target is the arrogance. It wouldn’t work without that. Remember, I don’t have a problem with vegans qua vegans. It’s the ones that insist these they’re right, and anyone that isn’t vegan is bad/lesser/wrong/evil/crazy. The normal vegans going about their life see my pitiful little troll, roll their eyes and go on doing their thing. It’s only the ones so certain of their own holiness, and the righteousness of their cause that rise to the bait.
That’s zealotry, and that’s what I bait.
Again, I don’t have any problem with people living their beliefs. More power to them. I know and love multiple vegans irl, and cook for them. Vegetarians too, but they don’t have the same kind of belief system usually. Hell, one of my vegetarian friends came through this thread and gave me shit lol.
Also, don’t watch “don’t fuck with cats” if you have strong emotional reactions to that kind of thing. They don’t show anything bad, but the story itself will leave you wrung out. It’s a good documentary, and an interesting story, but it can be difficult to get through.
No, veganism as a conclusion is a combination of facts and basic moral understanding, principles like “live and let live”, “do no harm”, and the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do to you. If you’re a psychopath who doesn’t care how much harm, death, and suffering is caused in order to get sensory pleasure, I probably can’t convince you why veganism is worthwhile
Lmmfao.
There it goes. Straight to “oh, we’re super moral, and you’re evil/crazy if you don’t agree”
And you’re not a zealot talking like that. Okay champ, you are good boy, sure, you go.
do you disagree with all the ethical principles I mentioned, or the facts I listed? Or do you think that the conclusion doesn’t follow from the premises?
Somehow, you think this is a debate. It isn’t. It’s me fucking around because vegans are zealots that call people that don’t agree with them psychopaths (which isn’t really a useful term now, the dsm classifies things differently, but I’m okay with the colloquial usage here, no worries).
What I do disagree with is the assumption that a cobbled together set of beliefs makes someone better than another, which is exactly what someone is showing when they start throwing around terms like psychopath willy nilly like that.
Seriously, dude, you already proved my point. It was inevitable that someone would, or just happened to be you. I’ve had my laugh, you’ve had your moment of feeling superior, so I think we both had a good time :)
I don’t think people who disagree with me are psychopaths. I think that given enough time and discussion I could convince most people that based on their own principles, veganism is the right thing to do. On the other hand, people who don’t give a fuck about how they affect others, would not be sympathetic to any line of reasoning I could think of. That’s all I was trying to say there
Well, that’s a very nice way to say it :)
I’m not sure why you went there, but hey, we all fuck up, right?
But you’re still making a huge assumption. You’re assuming that anyone that isn’t vegan doesn’t give a fuck about how they affect others. You’re assuming that anyone you can’t convince would be wrong, because your logic, your arguments are the right ones by default.
You’ve been pretty busy trying to debate and argue. Did you ask what kind of meats I eat, how often, how I source them, or anything else that wasn’t meant specifically to debate, convert, or otherwise change my stance? No.
And that’s not unexpected. I’ve had this conversation maybe a hundred times. I can count on two hands the number of vegans that went as far as you just did by walking back their aggression. That’s actually pretty impressive tbh, because this all started with me baiting vegans. Kudos :)
Now, there is a fundamental gap between the usual vegan perspective on human/animal interactions/usage and personal beliefs. That gap is different at a level that, I agree, would not result in me converting to the vegan system. I don’t have a problem with people being vegan, I don’t want anyone to stop being vegan, or whatever. But I know vegans irl. Vegans that matter enough to me that I’ve sat and listened and done the whole Jehovah’s Witness thing (I’m poking fun, not trying to troll there, it’s meant to exaggerate the silliness of the whole thread), with laptops and phones and sources. I cook vegan for these people. Gladly, and I used to even haunt a vegan recipe C/ to expand my recipe base to make better food for them.
I only say that to let you know that it isn’t being vegan that I’m baiting and making fun of. It’s the accoutrements.
Do you see what I’m getting at? If you don’t, that’s okay. You don’t even have to take the time to try (especially if you’ve gotten this far, that’s a lot of verbiage).
Baby boy, you at it again.
You done gone and kicked the beehive.
Shut yo damn fool mouth and make me a mess of collards and pintos like a good kitchen monkey. I’ll be there Saturday.
Lmao!
Dude, you want a plate, I’ll hook you up, but you gotta pick up the supplies, my back is fucking wrecked. And it’ll have to be next Saturday.
But, yeah man, drag your giant ass fish feet over next weekend. It’ll be good to see your punk ass. Why the fuck you can’t just text me like a normal human being, I don’t know.
Oh, wait, that’s right! Not a normal human.
Seriously, fucking text me dude.
I get what you’re saying.
Have you seen don’t fuck with cats? I haven’t, but from what I understand it’s a guy abusing kittens and posting it online, so people doxx him and go to great lengths to bring him to justice. Would you bait those people? Because I have a way lighter reaction than them to orders of magnitudes more animal abuse
Wellll, first fight I ever got in was over a puppy.
But, yeah, I’d fuck with those people. Amateur detectives got it right that time, but it’s been a pretty dumb idea overall. Dunno if I’d bait them, I’d likely just directly poke fun at them because they don’t have a unified set of beliefs that make them open to a broad troll like this. In other words, the amateur detectives can’t be baited, only insulted. The difference may not seem big, but it is in trolling terms.
What makes vegans such a ripe target is the arrogance. It wouldn’t work without that. Remember, I don’t have a problem with vegans qua vegans. It’s the ones that insist these they’re right, and anyone that isn’t vegan is bad/lesser/wrong/evil/crazy. The normal vegans going about their life see my pitiful little troll, roll their eyes and go on doing their thing. It’s only the ones so certain of their own holiness, and the righteousness of their cause that rise to the bait.
That’s zealotry, and that’s what I bait.
Again, I don’t have any problem with people living their beliefs. More power to them. I know and love multiple vegans irl, and cook for them. Vegetarians too, but they don’t have the same kind of belief system usually. Hell, one of my vegetarian friends came through this thread and gave me shit lol.
Also, don’t watch “don’t fuck with cats” if you have strong emotional reactions to that kind of thing. They don’t show anything bad, but the story itself will leave you wrung out. It’s a good documentary, and an interesting story, but it can be difficult to get through.
The thing is, those people do have the arrogance you describe, and they think that anyone that abuses cats is bad/lesser/wrong/evil/crazy