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MOSCOW, Aug 16 (Reuters) - Russia’s ambassador to Washington said on Friday that he did not believe Ukraine would have attacked the Nord Stream gas pipelines without the tacit approval of the United States, and that Russia would identify and punish those behind the attack.

  • Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    3 months ago

    The message wasn’t the issue. It was how it was said. Share your opinions freely so long as they aren’t pro-invader and are respectful.

    • CJOtheReal@ani.social
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      3 months ago

      That’s just… wow.

      Guy talks complete shit, people tell him to shut up and they get banned… Bro that’s not the moderation standards you should strive towards. Especially because this IS supporting of Russia, tbh, between the lines, but still, it is.

      • Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Mods are not Gods. We do not have universal knowledge. If someone is spouting garbage, point why, preferably back it up with evidence, and above all do so respectfully.

        Far as I can tell they were arguing that the pipe sabotage was pointless as the pipes were mostly unused, and that it harms relations with a friendly and prominent nation and consequently jeopardizes NATO/EU membership. Sounds like a cogent argument that I personally don’t like but am not going to censor unless they are rude.

        Next time: show that the pipes were in use (they obviously were), that the perpetrators have not been shown to be sanctioned by the UA government as of yet, and that despite the damage Germany has been a faithful supporter even beyond discovery of who the agents were believed to be. Just do so without using direct insults. Not difficult or unreasonable.

        • CJOtheReal@ani.social
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          3 months ago

          It kinda is unreasonable to expect users to argue with every troll.

          Oh and im not the one that was banned, i just saw this thread where up voted comments where removed and BS was left standing.

          Furthermore i do not believe that shut up or delete your account (lösch dich) is unreasonably rude.

          • Ooops@feddit.org
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            3 months ago

            So facts you don’t like are complete shit and people telling an unconvenient truth are trolls… Sure…

            How about pointing out any “complete shit that isn’t true” in a civilized manner? Oh, wait. That would require actual arguments beyond “I don’t want to accept reality so I reject it and insult everyone not agreeing”.

            But again, I will even try to help you out:

            When was NS2 opened? It wasn’t.

            When was the certification required to open NS2 permanently withdrawn? Days before Russia’s invasion when Russia acknowledged independent republics in Ukraine, thus not respecting their territorital integrity.

            How much gas was going through NS1 when it was detonated? Less than 10% in June, completely stopped in mid-July. Announced to be permanently stopped for technical reasons unless sanctions would end in August. (A bluff Germany called when sending them exactly the replacement turbine that was claimed to be stuck because of sacntions preventing the repair.)

            How did the gas prizes develop when Russia announced the indefinite stop of all deliveries? They fell from ~320€/MWh in August to ~ 170€/MWh in late September… (and just for completion: the detonation of NS resulted in a minmal increase before the down trend continued to ~50€/MWh in November)

            Which of those facts are “lies”? It should be really easy to point them out, so please do it.

            Also how can facts be “anti-Ukraine propaganda” when I wasn’t even the one declaring it was Ukraine? That’s what guys like you did, to then cheer for it. I only pointed out that it’s totally stupid to cheer for something Ukraine allegedly did when the sabotage itself was crazy and pointless and the consequences (the real ones, not the medals you would love to give to terrorists attacking infrastructure) could only be bad should Ukraine really be behind it.

            Edit & PS: And just to be crystal clear here as you seem to have problems understanding arguments. There was exactly one side with an interest in destroying Nordstream: Russia because they ran out of excuses to not fullfill their contracts. Ukraine (or any other country) sabotaging it, makes zero sense given the actual facts. So you aren’t even crazy once but twice. First by calling it a good deed that should be rewarded, then a second time by assuming it was an operation sanctioned by Ukraine as they had nothing to win but a lot of support to lose.