Crazy how you guys only care about gun violence when someone other than your own side does it. Especially given that most political violence is right wing violence.
Announcing the shooter as trans front and center in the headline only serves to portray trans people as violent and dangerous, because where would fox news be if not for its continual perpetuation of bigotry against already vulnerable minorities?
Most shooters are straight, cis, white males. Yet you’ll never see fox news with a headline going “X shooting suspect identified as a straight, cis, white male with ‘kill all blacks’ written on gun”.
Meanwhile your alternative article you linked shows what better journalism looks like:
“Female suspect fatally shot after shooting at Joel Osteen’s Lakewood Church”
I think noting a shooter is trans is noteworthy because it’s very rare and may be related to their motive.
But otherwise I generally agree with your statement. Worth nothing that the US Department of Homeland Security has considered right wing extremists the biggest terrorist threat to the US for many years.
Yes, they’re certainly experts. They get payed good money for work in highly competitive positions. They have specialized educations focused on this issue, plus tens of thousands of hours working on it professionally.
I don’t really know why you’ve decided that social media accounts are your ultimate measuring stick for how trustworthy someone is. Seems pretty fucking stupid, like you
Of those, “the number of known suspects in mass shootings which are trans is under 10 for the last decade,” which translated to “1:880 [or 0.11%] of the 4,400 shootings” they recorded, he said.
Most citations show about .3-.6 for the transgender community. The most recent article I read showed about 4 out of 300 for mass shootings. The problem is how they define it but even at the number, it shows a trans person is more likely to be a mass shooter as a percentage of the population.
If you only look at raw numbers, yes, white males are more likely in volume to commit mass shootings but they are one of the single largest groups. That is a no brainer.
Crazy how you guys only care about gun violence when someone other than your own side does it. Especially given that most political violence is right wing violence.
Saying “Gun violence” instead of “Violence” is dog whistling that you care more about disarming people than saving lives.
That aside, yes, most political violence world wide is right wing violence. This is mainly due to Islamic terrorism, which is right wing. Note that is not American right wing.
Most shooters are straight, cis, white males.
Define shootings. Because with one definition, you can have 300+ shootings every year, but that counts gang violence, and suddenly white men aren’t the biggest contributors to the stat anymore. I’ll let you guess which demographic would, since you brought it up.
Alternatively, excluding gang violence, you can have under a dozen every year, and white men are the biggest contributors. Not per capita, but still in absolute numbers.
Yet you’ll never see fox news with a headline going “X shooting suspect identified as a straight, cis, white male with ‘kill all blacks’ written on gun”.
Guess what? They have a right wing bias. They generally don’t report shootings because there’s no angle. Left wing sites do report on them because they want to push an anti-gun narrative, that and ratings.
And here is an actually good source:
Don’t think I didn’t notice just how light on details that AP is. They talk a bunch about the victims and Joel osteen, but they barely give you her name. They are pushing an angle by omission. Same as fox, same as cbs, same as every news site.
Saying “Gun violence” instead of “Violence” is dog whistling that you care more about disarming people than saving lives.
I’m saying gun violence because that’s the topic. Getting upset over this wording is like getting upset somebody calls a ride on a plane “air travel” instead of “travel”. That’s the category of the subject being discussed.
That aside, yes, most political violence world wide is right wing violence. This is mainly due to Islamic terrorism, which is right wing. Note that is not American right wing.
Even if you’re just limiting to domestic terrorism, right wing terrorism is the majority of said terrorism.
Define shootings
I thought it was pretty clear that I was talking about politically motivated attacks when I was talking about the straight white shooters thing. Gang violence isn’t really politically motivated.
Guess what? They have a right wing bias. They generally don’t report shootings because there’s no angle. Left wing sites do report on them because they want to push an anti-gun narrative, that and ratings.
So when left wing sources push an angle, it’s to reduce deaths. When right wing sources push an angle, it’s to demonize minorities who are already at risk for violence.
And you think the chosen angle for this particular case makes you look good?
Don’t think I didn’t notice just how light on details that AP is. They talk a bunch about the victims and Joel osteen, but they barely give you her name.
Glorifying shooters only makes copy cats more likely. The AP is being responsible.
Per the Reuters article from 2016 - 2020, trans people accounted for 2.3% of mass shootings but per 2020 census data only account for 0.6% of the population. They are 4x more likely to commit a mass shooting then the rest of the population.
See I can cherry pick stats to make them say what I want to too.
I’m saying gun violence because that’s the topic. Getting upset over this wording is like getting upset somebody calls a ride on a plane “air travel” instead of “travel”. That’s the category of the subject being discussed.
We’ve been over this so many times, it’s not worth typing it up anymore. But for our audience, gun violence is a propaganda term. It’s basically, take all violence, and throw out anything that doesn’t help with disarming the people. If pizza here actually cared about saving lives, he would actually look at violence itself. Remember, violence is a symptom. Disarming the people will not solve social-economic problems.
So when left wing sources push an angle, it’s to reduce deaths. When right wing sources push an angle, it’s to demonize minorities who are already at risk for violence.
You’re being intentionally obtuse. left wing sources want to disarm the people, not to save lives.
Glorifying shooters only makes copy cats more likely. The AP is being responsible.
We’re well past the point of worrying about copy cats.
We’ve been over this so many times, it’s not worth typing it up anymore. But for our audience, gun violence is a propaganda term. It’s basically, take all violence, and throw out anything that doesn’t help with disarming the people.
Just because you say something doesn’t mean it’s true. I’m telling you my intention is to reduce harm. You can make up whatever bullshit you want to convince yourself that my intentions are elsewhere. You can lie to yourself all you want.
But I know my intentions, and they aren’t “hur dur take da gunz”.
If pizza here actually cared about saving lives, he would actually look at violence itself.
But that’s not the topic. This is a post about a shooting, a specific event, not violence as a whole.
Remember, violence is a symptom.
I am aware. That doesn’t change the fact that what I said is true.
Disarming the people will not solve social-economic problems.
I never said otherwise. You completely missed the point of what I am saying.
You’re being intentionally obtuse. left wing sources want to disarm the people, not to save lives.
Prove it. Prove that their intentions are this hidden mischievous conspiracy.
We’re well past the point of worrying about copy cats.
For those such as yourself that don’t care about people dying, sure. But for the rest of us it is still a concern.
I mean if he does, it’s just further proof of how full of shit he is, since even in this thread he’s peddling the same gun violence bs that’s been disproven to him numerous times. He doesn’t care about reason, he cares about advancing his lies
Being real, hes done a lot to my mental state. On reddit, I would have similar arguments, usually about guns. I thought I was educating people, or at least getting them to actually think critically about their positions.
Nope, I waant educating or doing anything good, turns out I was just wasting my time.
Its not just him either, theres a few lefties that I’ve noticed that do the exact same shit.
I’m very aware, and its as tempting as ice cream in hell. I get why a lot of mods go bad now. But I want to avoid being a power tripping mod, and thats why he remains unbanned.
Also it’s odd that you’re complaining that I’m grouping republicans together (for a post/article you guys agree with and support), but when someone comes along and says “dEMocRatS aRe VIoLenT” you’re silent. What a double standard.
This is just the past month alone, and just one user. Admittedly, 90% of these kinds of statements come from winter. But every single one, not a peep out of the mods saying “hey, don’t say that, democrats are not a monoloth”.
The exact one about democrats being violent must have been from a while ago. And tbh I don’t care enough to go digging for it. My point has been made.
Also it’s odd that you’re complaining that I’m grouping republicans together (for a post/article you guys agree with and support), but when someone comes along and says “dEMocRatS aRe VIoLenT” you’re silent. What a double standard.
Of those, “the number of known suspects in mass shootings which are trans is under 10 for the last decade,” which translated to “1:880 [or 0.11%] of the 4,400 shootings” they recorded, he said.
Statement like that is the result of only listening to things like fox news and not the bee. It’s the result of thinking fox news is somehow a valid news source.
Crazy how you guys only care about gun violence when someone other than your own side does it. Especially given that most political violence is right wing violence.
Announcing the shooter as trans front and center in the headline only serves to portray trans people as violent and dangerous, because where would fox news be if not for its continual perpetuation of bigotry against already vulnerable minorities?
Most shooters are straight, cis, white males. Yet you’ll never see fox news with a headline going “X shooting suspect identified as a straight, cis, white male with ‘kill all blacks’ written on gun”.
Meanwhile your alternative article you linked shows what better journalism looks like:
And here is an actually good source:
https://apnews.com/article/church-shooting-joel-osteen-texas-ea557401f2eef247020e34297159536a
I think noting a shooter is trans is noteworthy because it’s very rare and may be related to their motive.
But otherwise I generally agree with your statement. Worth nothing that the US Department of Homeland Security has considered right wing extremists the biggest terrorist threat to the US for many years.
And why should I care what some government jerkoffs decide the narrative is?
Because they’re experts instead of anonymous social media accounts.
Oh wow, they’re expert jerkoffs.
Yes, they’re certainly experts. They get payed good money for work in highly competitive positions. They have specialized educations focused on this issue, plus tens of thousands of hours working on it professionally.
Vs anonymous social media accounts.
I don’t really know why you’ve decided that social media accounts are your ultimate measuring stick for how trustworthy someone is. Seems pretty fucking stupid, like you
Seems to me like awwwyisssss considers the experts to be the yardstick here.
Then why does he insist on comparing everything to social media accounts?
It isn’t rare at when you look look at the percentage of the population. Trans people are more likely to go on A mass shooting.
According to another users comment below:
For the US, “About 1.03% of the nation’s adult population identifies as transgender, according to the Household Pulse Survey.”
So it seems people who aren’t trans are approximately ten times more likely to go on a mass shooting. Am I missing something?
Yes. Since they are less than 1% of the population. We should rarely if even see a trans person in a mass shooting. Yet that isn’t the case.
Did you read my comment? Are you an LLM?
I did. Yes, you are missing something.
A brain, seemingly
Most citations show about .3-.6 for the transgender community. The most recent article I read showed about 4 out of 300 for mass shootings. The problem is how they define it but even at the number, it shows a trans person is more likely to be a mass shooter as a percentage of the population.
If you only look at raw numbers, yes, white males are more likely in volume to commit mass shootings but they are one of the single largest groups. That is a no brainer.
Ive said it time and time again, conservatives are not a monolith. Please stop acting like it.
More people should hear and understand this on both extreme ends of the political spectrum.
Don’t listen to people who broadly mock an ideology with straw man arguments and broad generalizations. That shit is for children.
If someone says “conservatives always…”/“liberals only think…” or any variation just ignore them.
If you’re going to comment, at least try to address what I’m saying.
You know what? Fuck it.
Saying “Gun violence” instead of “Violence” is dog whistling that you care more about disarming people than saving lives.
That aside, yes, most political violence world wide is right wing violence. This is mainly due to Islamic terrorism, which is right wing. Note that is not American right wing.
Define shootings. Because with one definition, you can have 300+ shootings every year, but that counts gang violence, and suddenly white men aren’t the biggest contributors to the stat anymore. I’ll let you guess which demographic would, since you brought it up.
Alternatively, excluding gang violence, you can have under a dozen every year, and white men are the biggest contributors. Not per capita, but still in absolute numbers.
Guess what? They have a right wing bias. They generally don’t report shootings because there’s no angle. Left wing sites do report on them because they want to push an anti-gun narrative, that and ratings.
Don’t think I didn’t notice just how light on details that AP is. They talk a bunch about the victims and Joel osteen, but they barely give you her name. They are pushing an angle by omission. Same as fox, same as cbs, same as every news site.
I’m saying gun violence because that’s the topic. Getting upset over this wording is like getting upset somebody calls a ride on a plane “air travel” instead of “travel”. That’s the category of the subject being discussed.
Even if you’re just limiting to domestic terrorism, right wing terrorism is the majority of said terrorism.
I thought it was pretty clear that I was talking about politically motivated attacks when I was talking about the straight white shooters thing. Gang violence isn’t really politically motivated.
And your numbers are way off:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N363273/
So when left wing sources push an angle, it’s to reduce deaths. When right wing sources push an angle, it’s to demonize minorities who are already at risk for violence.
And you think the chosen angle for this particular case makes you look good?
Glorifying shooters only makes copy cats more likely. The AP is being responsible.
Per the Reuters article from 2016 - 2020, trans people accounted for 2.3% of mass shootings but per 2020 census data only account for 0.6% of the population. They are 4x more likely to commit a mass shooting then the rest of the population.
See I can cherry pick stats to make them say what I want to too.
Wow you straight up admitted you were cherypicking. You have no argument so I’ll move on.
The difference between you and I is that I’m honest enough to admit when I’m using cherry picked stats.
Intentionally using cherry picked stats is by definition dishonest.
And I wasn’t using cherry picked stats.
We’ve been over this so many times, it’s not worth typing it up anymore. But for our audience, gun violence is a propaganda term. It’s basically, take all violence, and throw out anything that doesn’t help with disarming the people. If pizza here actually cared about saving lives, he would actually look at violence itself. Remember, violence is a symptom. Disarming the people will not solve social-economic problems.
You’re being intentionally obtuse. left wing sources want to disarm the people, not to save lives.
We’re well past the point of worrying about copy cats.
Just because you say something doesn’t mean it’s true. I’m telling you my intention is to reduce harm. You can make up whatever bullshit you want to convince yourself that my intentions are elsewhere. You can lie to yourself all you want.
But I know my intentions, and they aren’t “hur dur take da gunz”.
But that’s not the topic. This is a post about a shooting, a specific event, not violence as a whole.
I am aware. That doesn’t change the fact that what I said is true.
I never said otherwise. You completely missed the point of what I am saying.
Prove it. Prove that their intentions are this hidden mischievous conspiracy.
For those such as yourself that don’t care about people dying, sure. But for the rest of us it is still a concern.
What is even the point of arguing with you?
If you don’t like arguing with people then perhaps becoming the head mod of a political subreddit wasn’t a good idea.
There’s an easy way to get him to stop posting coal
Even if I get banned, someone else will carry the torch for me and will bring reason to this place.
Do you honestly think you’re bringing reason to this place?
I mean if he does, it’s just further proof of how full of shit he is, since even in this thread he’s peddling the same gun violence bs that’s been disproven to him numerous times. He doesn’t care about reason, he cares about advancing his lies
Then there is no answer you guys would possibly accept. If I say yes, it’s proof of my guilt. If I say no, it’s proof of my guilt.
Honesty is a trait that escapes you thoroughly.
Glad you agree that no matter what you try and lie about, your guilt is obvious to anyone with a brain
That’s not what I said. Yet again, you show how dishonest you are.
Being real, hes done a lot to my mental state. On reddit, I would have similar arguments, usually about guns. I thought I was educating people, or at least getting them to actually think critically about their positions.
Nope, I waant educating or doing anything good, turns out I was just wasting my time.
Its not just him either, theres a few lefties that I’ve noticed that do the exact same shit.
I blocked him. I can only handle so much troll in a day.
“Thing I don’t like” = troll
There’s a easy solution to this problem
I’m very aware, and its as tempting as ice cream in hell. I get why a lot of mods go bad now. But I want to avoid being a power tripping mod, and thats why he remains unbanned.
Also it’s odd that you’re complaining that I’m grouping republicans together (for a post/article you guys agree with and support), but when someone comes along and says “dEMocRatS aRe VIoLenT” you’re silent. What a double standard.
Can you link to somewhere blameta did this?
https://lemm.ee/comment/9020958
https://lemm.ee/comment/8872460
https://lemm.ee/comment/8870239
https://lemm.ee/comment/8520157
https://lemm.ee/comment/8513465
https://lemm.ee/comment/8410895
https://lemm.ee/comment/8405309
https://lemm.ee/comment/8377599
This is just the past month alone, and just one user. Admittedly, 90% of these kinds of statements come from winter. But every single one, not a peep out of the mods saying “hey, don’t say that, democrats are not a monoloth”.
The exact one about democrats being violent must have been from a while ago. And tbh I don’t care enough to go digging for it. My point has been made.
So because I dont censor it, that must mean I agree with it? Is that really your mindset?
Not even close to what I am saying.
What I am actually saying:
You are applying a double standard
You are failing to keep this place civil
What double standard?
Guys I think this might be a joke
You only think so because the media memory holes any shooting by a trans activist.
Why do we not have the covenant shooters full manifesto? Why was it hidden for so long? Because it said things like this -
But shills don’t care about facts, only the narrative.
You are factually incorrect.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N363273/
This aged well.
Statement like that is the result of only listening to things like fox news and not the bee. It’s the result of thinking fox news is somehow a valid news source.