Russia and Ukraine should negotiate an end to their conflict to avoid the war spilling over into Belarus, President Alexander Lukashenko, a key ally of Vladimir Putin, said in an interview with Russian state television.
Ukraine is fighting for itself with support of the population.
What population? That population that is forbidden from leaving the country, afraid to leave homes due to fear of being kidnapped on the streets, and tries to escape the country at any cost? The population that cannot choose their president? The population that cannot form political parties if government does not like it? What population???
Yeah, no. Russia is fighting NATO expansion. The head of NATO said so. The people of Russia know what Western economic shock therapy did to them and they have a learned distrust of the West. They do not want yet another European military invading them over the Ukraine border like the last 2 European armies did.
Ukraine, on the other hand, had a movement for alignment with the West that was cultivated, stoked, and supported by the USA to the degree that John McCain and Victoria Nuland were literally on the ground during the Maidan protests. Nuland is on tape discussing the replacement of the elected leader of Ukraine. And then the minority Right Sector faction stormed the capital with guns drawn and forced the sitting government to flee for its life. The replacement government simped for the EU and USA because it meant the USA would allow them to kill the ethnic Russians within their territory and also enrich their political elite. So for 8 years the neonazis, tied to the NATO leave-behind militias of Nazi supporters created under NATO’S Operation Gladio, bombed and murdered ethnic Russians inside Ukraine’s border.
And when the move towards NATO expansion was too close for comfort, Russia acted to prevent that expansion.
This has nothing to do with expanding Russia. The CIA has said so. The NYT has reported so. NaATO has stated so. Within Russia, there is no material possibility, no military strategy, and no political desire to take and hold Ukraine.
History isn’t subject to popularity. You’ll note that the revelations about the CIA’s assessment are from this year, though the assessment was from the beginning of the SMO. You’ll also note that Russia still has not made any attempt to actually march across Ukraine and take it despite Ukraine’s losses being so steep that the average age of their military went up 20 years.
You could point out WHY my talking points fall apart now, but you won’t because history hasn’t changed much. Nuland was still there at Maidan square and the tape of her planning the next leader of Ukraine still exists. McCain still stood on stage with Right Sector and said it was a proud day for democracy less than 24 hours before Right Sector stormed the capital violently and forced the sitting president and his cabinet to flee the country. Operation Gladio is still on the books. The Banderite leave-behind still killed a lot of Jews. The neonazis in Ukraine are still getting training and arms from the USA.
Not fascism: sending every last Ukranian man into the meat grinder in the false hope that Ukraine can somehow win back all the territory it lost, which is an opinion literally no expert shares, but which is profitable for military industrial companies and advances US-specific strategic interests.
Fascism: Opposing sending more Ukranian men into said meat grinder.
You got it because it’s not the US telling Ukraine to fight for the last man, it’s Ukrainians deciding to fight for the last man. If they believe they can achieve something more who are we to question it.
Opposing sending more men into the meat grinder just means you’re in favor of Ukraine surrendering to Russia, who are now the actual fascists.
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Russia is literally fighting for itself. What are you fucking talking about? Is it only fighting for themselves if Slavs align with Western Europe?
westoids be like: “why dont you go and throw your life away you useless slav untermensch!, also sell me all your national assets while you’re at it”
Russia is fighting for an empire at expense of its own people and the people are too brain dead or docile so they take it.
Belarus’ political leadership is simping for Russia, they also take it.
Ukraine said no, and got the dick. Ukraine is fighting for itself with support of the population.
What population? That population that is forbidden from leaving the country, afraid to leave homes due to fear of being kidnapped on the streets, and tries to escape the country at any cost? The population that cannot choose their president? The population that cannot form political parties if government does not like it? What population???
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Yeah, no. Russia is fighting NATO expansion. The head of NATO said so. The people of Russia know what Western economic shock therapy did to them and they have a learned distrust of the West. They do not want yet another European military invading them over the Ukraine border like the last 2 European armies did.
Ukraine, on the other hand, had a movement for alignment with the West that was cultivated, stoked, and supported by the USA to the degree that John McCain and Victoria Nuland were literally on the ground during the Maidan protests. Nuland is on tape discussing the replacement of the elected leader of Ukraine. And then the minority Right Sector faction stormed the capital with guns drawn and forced the sitting government to flee for its life. The replacement government simped for the EU and USA because it meant the USA would allow them to kill the ethnic Russians within their territory and also enrich their political elite. So for 8 years the neonazis, tied to the NATO leave-behind militias of Nazi supporters created under NATO’S Operation Gladio, bombed and murdered ethnic Russians inside Ukraine’s border.
And when the move towards NATO expansion was too close for comfort, Russia acted to prevent that expansion.
This has nothing to do with expanding Russia. The CIA has said so. The NYT has reported so. NaATO has stated so. Within Russia, there is no material possibility, no military strategy, and no political desire to take and hold Ukraine.
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Believe what you need to believe. I was just communicating.
Dawg, it is 2024… Your talking points are from start of the war. They didn’t make sense then and they fell a part now.
History isn’t subject to popularity. You’ll note that the revelations about the CIA’s assessment are from this year, though the assessment was from the beginning of the SMO. You’ll also note that Russia still has not made any attempt to actually march across Ukraine and take it despite Ukraine’s losses being so steep that the average age of their military went up 20 years.
You could point out WHY my talking points fall apart now, but you won’t because history hasn’t changed much. Nuland was still there at Maidan square and the tape of her planning the next leader of Ukraine still exists. McCain still stood on stage with Right Sector and said it was a proud day for democracy less than 24 hours before Right Sector stormed the capital violently and forced the sitting president and his cabinet to flee the country. Operation Gladio is still on the books. The Banderite leave-behind still killed a lot of Jews. The neonazis in Ukraine are still getting training and arms from the USA.
Not much has changed, honestly.
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sorry they’re not stupid enough to sacrifice themselves for the interests of the US
They’ve tried. Didn’t work out well. I’ll leave that as an exercise to the reader, I’m not sure what’s been decided is misinformation.
Weird way to say Ukraine is the only slav nation dumb enough to be used as a proxy for the burger empire.
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Not fascism: sending every last Ukranian man into the meat grinder in the false hope that Ukraine can somehow win back all the territory it lost, which is an opinion literally no expert shares, but which is profitable for military industrial companies and advances US-specific strategic interests.
Fascism: Opposing sending more Ukranian men into said meat grinder.
Got it 👍
You got it because it’s not the US telling Ukraine to fight for the last man, it’s Ukrainians deciding to fight for the last man. If they believe they can achieve something more who are we to question it.
Opposing sending more men into the meat grinder just means you’re in favor of Ukraine surrendering to Russia, who are now the actual fascists.
What else would you like to tell us about your self?
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nah, pretty sure the actual fascists are people who are supporting this
Bro send AI generated image lmao
Edit: it’s not even AI generated it was made by Russia propaganda LMAO
I recognize some of these, do you have any proof they are AI generated? If not please edit your comment or delete it.
Re-read my comment
The words you are looking for are “russian authoritarian propagandist”. Technically not fascist, but just as reprehensible.
how to out yourself as a western fascist propagndist
Hey, just as a heads up, “authoritarian” as a word is part of horseshoe theory and we don’t take kindly to that here.
Also saying someone is “just as reprehensible” as a fascist seems pretty damn trivializing of how bad fascism is.
You’re new here but this is stuff you’ll catch a ban for moving forward
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Spot on